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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 21 points 1 day ago (19 children)

This makes sense. Hear me out.

  1. A CM5 is a device designed to be embedded into other devices. I believe most of their sales come from just that- companies that make other things, and build a CM5 into them rather than design their own control board.

  2. As you go up through the model tiers, the price increases faster than the added price of memory. IE, if the 2gb one is $20, and the difference between a 2gb memory chip and an 8gb memory chip is $10, the 8gb unit isn't $30 it's $60. You pay RPi a premium for the high end products.

  3. Desoldering RAM off a production PCB is something no hobbyist is going to bother with. BUT, a company buying 10,000 of these to build into their product MIGHT find it cost effective to setup a production line to do so. And they could probably resell the 2gb chips.

Point being- while I don't like this, and I don't like the ideas it represents, I also understand why they are doing it. It's not about us, the hobbyists. It's about the manufacturers that build compute modules into their products.

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[–] huquad@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Another win for mini PCs. Pis priced themselves out of the market since pi4-pi5 imo

I can get a second hand mini pc or Optiplex for much cheaper, and with quick sync

yep and I/O isn't terrible to add. A CP2112 USB <--> I2C module is like $5 on amazon (and way less on AliExpress) and gets you an I2C port and a few GPIO all controllable through Python or libusb. The FT232H or CH347 modules are similar and offer SPI as well.

[–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 89 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So do we own the pi that we bought or does Raspberry Pi?

[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago

There's a blob in there you will never own

[–] rounding_error@lemmy.today 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

First time?

/j

Srs, I don’t think I’ve ever owned a consumer device that, as the other person points out, didn’t have blobs inside from the factory. Sure, ive manually replaced the BIOS with Libreboot and switched to blobless (software) WiFi chips, but then what about the EC blobs? The keyboard and mouse? If being fully FOSS predicates ownership, I don’t think any of us own our devices

[–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How does LibreBoot work? Was it hard to set up?

[–] rounding_error@lemmy.today 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It’s a coreboot distribution (FOSS BIOS/UEFI), so technically it works on more things than advertised.

To install it it does require a little bit of preparation. There’s a lot of commands you have to run using a custom compiler toolchain to build an image for your board. The hardest part is disassembling the laptop, if you have an older one, which is mostly what Libreboot targets.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

It doesn't work in most things fyi

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The behaviour is particularly interesting because physically replacing the memory on a Raspberry Pi is already well outside the scope of an ordinary upgrade.

I mean... aren't hackers the target audience for Raspberry Pis?

Yeah, if the reasoning they give isn't just straight bullshit, then I guess I don't want to see them drown in support tickets. But it also seems like this move runs pretty counter to the whole point of the Raspberry Pi.

(Plus, can't resellers buy 2GB models, redo some of the screen printing, and sell them as 8GB models without even trying to upgrade the RAM to 8GB? That seems at least as bad as getting a Raspberry Pi with a dodgy 8GB RAM chip.)

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago

I mean… aren’t hackers the target audience for Raspberry Pis?

They used to be. But for the last few years it has looked less and less like that.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Hey man I just push the buttons to make the green text happy; I don’t build ‘em

Pis are extremely popular for home labs, they can be used in tons of different ways.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

For what it’s worth the original point of the Pi was to recreate the experience of the Commodore 64 or BBC Micro where they came with huge manuals with ample examples and were more or less bare hardware for cheap. Taking that metaphor all the way is how we got the 400 and 500.

[–] atkdef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not really familiar with this industry, but as far as I know, there are quite a few pi-named alternatives from China. Banana Pi, Orange Pi, Lichee Pi, and there are probably more. Unless there's something only Raspberry Pi can offer, this looks suicide to me.

[–] esc@piefed.social 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are a lot of them but most suffer from chinese hardware support problem (e.g. they are unsopported beyond what did they ship with softwarewise, provide close to zero documentation, and have dozens models sold at any one time), rpi themselves aren't all that libre and always shipped with blobs and had bullshit excuses about it. Anyway rp2350 is the best thing that raspberry produces right now.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

That's my experience too.

That said at the higher end (Raspberry Pi 5) its actually cheaper to get a Mini-PC with a low-power intel chip like the N100 than a Pi and it's more powerful, more extendable, more compatible, with a much better and well supported tech stack (because that's an actual PC) and you get the whole device already, not just a board that you have to add the box and everything else to make a computer from.

Maybe at the level of the little SBCs the rp2350 is good value, but that stuff is more towards the embedded systems side (high end, though, beyond things like ESP32) than a general consumer computer.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago
[–] Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can't solder to save my life, but this still makes me take them off the list for potential future boards.

Granted, I prerfer RISC-V where posible, but a few things still need ARM.

Now I need to look around for a alternative to two Pi5s, the Pi4, and Pi Zero that were on my list.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm now trying to imagine what series of events would lead to you being shot because of subpar soldering skills.

[–] Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org 36 points 1 day ago

This is 2026, and I'm American, so there are a LOT of ways to get shot for dumb shit.

[–] rollin@piefed.social 4 points 23 hours ago

Have you not seen Swordfish? I imagine something like that, but with a soldering iron not a keyboard.

[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You'll know it isn't a genuine Raspberry Pi because it won't cost $35... right...?

[–] Ashiette@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

It's not like they cost 35€ anymore... But I know you know but damn ! They had to make it so expensive...

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Radxa and orange pi are better anyway.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have to disagree. They are better hardware with way worse software support. Pi's one big selling point is how out of the box friendly they are, meanwhile getting an orange pi flashed and booting Linux is an interesting experience using a Chinese flash writer with no English translation (back when I tried an orange pi 4).

[–] esc@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago

You can flash them with whatever usb imager or dd? Like there is close to zero effort required and they are somewhat supported by armbian.

[–] bilb@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can just use the Armbian flasher. I have an orange pi 5 plus and a Radxa rock 5-itx, and that's what I've done with both.

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