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[–] FE80@lemmy.world 68 points 6 days ago (5 children)

The U.S. imposed sanctions on the International Criminal Court

...fuck this place.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 71 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Foreign countries using Google, Microsoft, or Apple, would be suicidal not to change platforms. Right now, the U.S. has incredible leverage: it can turn off their government servers, delete their data, and is certainly spying on them right now.

The only reasonable move is some kind of self-hosted setup, at least for a large chunk of critical infrastructure, with some cloud options for backups, maybe, who knows, if the country is too small or centralized.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

I am in a large (couple thousand staff) company and I cant get why we dont selfhost everything. Like yeah it would have an upfront cost but the savings stack immediately. We spend like 30-50 a user for office access.

Copilot is so shit and we could build an alternative with relative ease and never pay again. It wouldnt be baked into teams but who gives a fuck.

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[–] personalhel@lemmy.zip 43 points 6 days ago (1 children)

never trust the americans again

[–] sanzky@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I will be so pissed off when a democrat is elected and every single EU country will try to go back to business as usual

[–] 73ms@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think that's very likely over. You could argue and people did that one Trump term was just an anomaly. Two is much more difficult to explain away like that and I think Europe gets it now.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Trump, and worse to come, seems an obvious outcome when looking at the unrepresentative two-party system used to divide Americans. Places in Europe use a more representative voting systems, so Europeans aught to know it's a question of when Americans notice 2 options at the ballot is only 1 better than Russia.

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[–] ouch@lemmy.world 66 points 6 days ago (5 children)

US has been building soft power like this for decades, and Trump is pissing it all away.

If this process to get rid of dependency on US gets well underway, there's no turning that ship. US won't recover the position it had in fifty years or more.

[–] LilB0kChoy@reddthat.com 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

US won't recover the position it had in fifty years or more.

This is not a bad thing. Over dependency on any one nation or even a bloc of nations is a bad thing.

I can’t help but think the dependency on the US that has been created played some role in what’s happening now.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, I can see that. America has been top dog for so long, it doesn't value what it has.

[–] LilB0kChoy@reddthat.com 7 points 6 days ago

Not even that. I’m thinking too much money, power and influence all consolidated in one place.

The US has the most billionaires at 989 and I’m guessing of the remaining ~2400 billionaires in the world, a not insignificant amount have substantial interests in the US.

It’s good the rest of the world is watching it happen. I hope they’re taking notes because it’s not stopping in America.

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[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 days ago

Nope. The US isn't teaching people to fish, its forcing them to learn How to to feed themselves. In the past they handed them the fish so they could control them. That power is lost now.

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[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 32 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This might just be the best thing that happens in tech (for me) all year.

I daily drive debian just because boring and reliable. However, fancy package managers like flatpak and appimages and nix have made debian much more vibrant - it's easy to install new versions of things now.

That said, nix package manager on debian is just freakin amazing. Being able to just nix-shell -p <obscure cli tool> and exit when I'm done with it is magnificent.

That's the gateway drug anyway. The nix based home-manager is pretty cool.

While I've been tempted to jump in with NixOS my experience with nix packages and home-manager has felt kind of bleeding edge or experimental. Loads of things that don't work as intended on debian.

A sophisticated well funded user base like a federal government has really good implications for the stability of the project in the future. I'm really stoked about this.

[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago

NixOS is great, but it definitely breaks things. It's the way it works, though, not whether the software is bleeding edge. Nix lets a package specify its own dependencies, even if those dependencies conflict with those of another package. It does this by breaking the traditional POSIX file system structure that many programs assume they can depend on. It puts all sorts of things where they "don't belong", and then uses a small army of environment variables, scripts, and symlinks to stitch it back together so that no individual package realizes what happened. If you only use software from the package manager, this is often (but not always) seemless, but if you download stuff from the web, none of the system libraries it traditionally expects are there. Likewise, if you're using Nix alongside something like Debian's apt, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the two package managers doing things in two different ways causes some issues that are hard to interpret to the uninformed.

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[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm in a local administration in France, it's rapidly getting closer to home... Our higher-ups somehow decided a thourough Microsoft integration was a good idea like 5 years ago.

Seems like we're just one political comment about support to the ICC to be in the same situation. And I mean, fuck it, we should be. But I am not happy about the shit we'll have to go through to purge it all now.

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[–] DigitalNeighbor@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (7 children)

I can explain a major reason why public services and administration are begrudgingly moving to FOSS or OSS at all. They need to apply security standards like ISO 27001 and when they start going through what the documentation requires they realize that most OSS let alone FOSS make it very hard to have any say in the development of the software.

How do you make sure that the security flaws are patched promptly? Do you open a ticket on GitHub and simply hope it gets picked up by the devs? I can tell you from experience that some OSS devs will tell you to make your own merge request if it's so important to you. GDPR makes having vulnerable public facing services very unattractive. What about support for the product when you need something fixed or have an issue with running the software?

You can definitely get a license for an OSS, or get a legal agreement for support from the OSS devs for money. I can guarantee you that when managers in public services look at either patching together and managing a bunch of separate OSS or using Microsofts integrated infrastructure, they see the advantages right away.

That is the sad truth... It's resource intensive and a regulatory problem to create and manage a whole infrastructure. It's much easier to use integrated and centralized solutions.

[–] CyberSeeker@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There is absolutely nothing preventing them from hiring a firm to develop a feature in FOSS. Hell, they can even keep it proprietary if they wanted to.

[–] hasnep@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago

they can even keep it proprietary if they wanted to.

Yes, with the caveat that it would have to be an internal piece of software, or if it's a public facing tool then it would have to be under a non-copyleft licence. But yeah, for 99% of use cases they could have a proprietary fork.

[–] Flipper@feddit.org 21 points 6 days ago

How do you make sure that the security flaws are patched promptly? Do you open a ticket on GitHub and simply hope it gets picked up by the devs?

No you dont expect free labour and pay them.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 15 points 6 days ago

With non-free software, you have no say at all.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The problem you point out has been known in the Linux community for literally decades and is the reason why Red Hat Linux was created and any company can, right know, get an Enterprise version of it with an Enterprise support contract.

That said, over the years I worked in seriously large multinational companies which used Linux and other open source products like Apache extensively on the server side (pretty much all such machines had it) so at least on the server side things did change massively from back in the day when companies would get Sun servers with SunOS or IBM server with Minix rather than generic server PCs with Linux due to that rationale you stated.

In fact, it has also become a common thing in much smaller companies, though maybe not the small and micro-sized ones.

The reality on the ground at least on the server side and for infrastructure software is that companies did find a way to deal with the problem of not being able to get support contracts from many of the OSS apps makers, and did so either by just paying some company specialized in supporting it or by having their own developers - after all, it's exactly the thing with OSS that any developer can change it hence you're not limited to paying for support from a specific company that makes the software.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago

Don't get me started about ISO. They can go fuck themselves.

But that particular standard doesn't apply to software. It applies to a company. Its a best practices, audited authoritative report. None of that means the software doesnt have backdoors, flaws, issues, its how they handle them.

Microsoft is a known ISO cheater, and will pay off companies or at least influence them, so I wouldn't trust ISO or the auditors.

So now, any company that is willing to take on the challenge of being certified can use open source software (which actually is audit-able as opposed to Microsoft's).

Seems like there is a path forward. Yes they may have to fund a project that helps audit, develop, or maintain critical software. If its open source, you have an entire world could also participate in securely developing software, in the open.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago

Commercial support or if it's critical enough infrastructure have a full time department/team to do it. Commercial support is the obvious choice for most countries starting out tbh.

Honestly SuSE, Ubuntu, and Hetzner all have good for enterprise support and its crazy that they don't have more major gov business in the EU now.

But honestly yeah, pay for labour to maintain things. It's not a breaking new idea. You can do that AND own the things instead of renting from private companies too. Also not a new idea.

The only thing new is that we are talking about computers and we have museums for them already so maybe get with the times, right?

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[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 36 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And nothing of value was lost

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 29 points 6 days ago

in fact, things got better

[–] corey931@lemmy.wtf 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

US: You want to cut us off? No! We cut you off!

NL: How petty are you?

US: Yes.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 17 points 6 days ago (13 children)

Considering the Dutch have ASML, this seems an unwise move for the US. But then, the Dogey Confederates are working towards the destruction of the USA. 😒

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[–] jadelord@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The whole Netherlands? What....?

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[–] Zeniv@lemmy.quasarke.net 11 points 6 days ago

I've been doing a project https://themildtake.com/articles/2026-07-04-a-declaration-of-independence/ ever since Independence Day and I have been shocked by how insane the open-source tooling out there is now. NextCloud and Collabara alone solves 90% of company's needs. ERPNEXT covers a huge swath in mid-range needs. I combine it with a mailcow server and Authentik for SSO and I am not sure how much else most businesses need. The whole stack is zero cost.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Gotta love how all these cunt ass companies are objectively doing worse and losing business present and future for putting mango Mussolini in charge. They can all choke on their avarice.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

Microsoft: "No, not like that!"

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