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[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 31 points 22 hours ago (15 children)

I truly don't understand how Visa/MasterCard/etc can be pressured. They are basically infrastructure.

What's someone going to do, stop using credit cards if they don't stop a store that person even patronize from selling morally hazardous goods?

I don't get how these campaigns are even effective.

[–] MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

They pressure payment processors through reputation damage and regulatory threats - these companies are terrified of being associated with anything that could trigger banking regulations or get them labeled as "enabling" problematic content in the media, its purely a risk management desicion for them.

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

Probably just worried Trump will over regulate them if they don’t fall in line with the Christian Radicals.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

Debit Cards, too.

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[–] chrischryse@lemmy.world 21 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

The same group who complained Detroit Become Human is bad for glorifying child abuse and women abuse. Yet supported Cuties....

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Are we wagering this absurdity is built on projection?

cause I'm wagering this absurdity is built on them projecting.

[–] Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 20 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It always is. These are the type of folks who have that feeling of shame wash over after they bust a nut to something they "despise."

That literally all these types of groups are. They want us to feel the same shame, too. I wish folks could just keep their shit to themselves. Have rules for your own home, sure, but eat shit and rot if you think you should be able to tell me how I should live my life.

[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I draw the line at abuse, but yeah, otherwise agree.

[–] Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Totally. I just mean if you don't want porn or violence in your home more power to ya, but keep your rules to yourself. Let me live and enjoy my life.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago

Definitely. Always is. And I do mean always.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 76 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Collective Shout claim it’s about harm reduction, but then push an agenda that functionally amounts to moral panic.

Their approach is identical in logic to the “GTA causes school shootings” hysteria: loud, pearl-clutching, and utterly unmoored from data.

If Collective Shout want to argue these games cause harm, then show us the harm. Not correlation. Not outrage. Not hypothetical downstream consequences. Show causation. Peer-reviewed. Reproducible.

Otherwise, they’re just moralizing bullies using the banking system as a cudgel.

On top of this, they might actually be harming their own cause. The catharsis hypothesis poses that sexual fantasy enactment might reduce risk of real world harm.

The logic is simple: suppressing a compulsion doesn't eliminate it. It just bottles up until it explodes. Redirect it into a safe outlet, and it becomes manageable.

The only reason this research isn't cited more often is because it's politically radioactive. Nobody wants to admit that it's better to let a gooners jerk off, than to escalate under repression.

The burden of proof SHOULD be on Collective Shout to provide a reasonable argument which supports their claim that censorship will reduce real world harm.

Current working theory in psychology: it doesn't. Emerging theory suggests: they're shooting themselves (and potential rape victims) in the foot.

The real solution to real-world harm involves empathy, autonomy and education.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are religious nutjobs, they don't care about causation.

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

I thought they were a feminist group

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[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Furthermore...

Their decision to target the payment processors - not the developers, or itch.io, or steam, is some of the most cowardly and authoritarian things I've ever seen in the gaming space.

It's economic coercion; a playbook used by religious bigots and authoritarians for decades. Financial censorship by proxy. IMO: they should fuck off.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Even Furthermore...

Wanna censor it? Good fucking idea /s

Shoving that shit into the shadows doesn’t make it go away, it just makes it untraceable, unmoderated, and unaccountable.

If you care even remotely about preventing harm, you don’t force taboo communities off the grid. You keep them where they can be seen, tracked, and contained... preferably behind legal firewalls, age gates, and content filters.

If you push them into the dark web... then congratulations... you’ve just built a Petri dish for escalation, radicalization, and actual predation.

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[–] InfiniteHench@lemmy.world 133 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I like how the language is ‘claims responsibility.’ You know. Like terrorist groups do after an attack

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[–] ech@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago

Anyone have a guess as to why these companies don't just cut off the country being used to spearhead these attempts? Like, half the popular games are blocked already. And setting this precedent will likely lead to further fuckery in the future. Is Australlia really that profitable that it's worth the current and future hassle?

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 81 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Hold up, all this shit because of an extremist group, *in Australia, where half the M games on the market already can't be sold, is driving global payment processor behavior?!?

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[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 145 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Here's something I've noticed. Whenever someone describes a group, individual, activity, or anything else with more than 2 negative adjectives in a row, they're probably saying something deeply unstable. This is one of those times.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I take offense to this generalization. When I call someone an honorless gormless bitch ass motherfucker I'm relieving stress so when fists start flying I ain't blinded by my own anger, my instability is only mildly correlated to my verbosity.

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[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 95 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

It's a Christian fascist org, so there's a 100% likelihood of mental illness.

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 5 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Wait is it Christian or is it Feminist? I'm hearing both

[–] TIN@feddit.uk 3 points 16 hours ago

Por que no los dos?

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[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I don't see anything religious on their website. Is this disclosed somewhere im missing?

[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Go to the affiliate or supporters page and have a deep dive into each of the members and their past associations or activities. It's not on the front page, but there's religion written all over it.

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[–] VoidJuiceConcentrate@midwest.social 110 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

me watching clearly adult humans doing consentual sex things

some religious zealot chud: this makes you a pedo somehow

[–] DosDude@retrolemmy.com 102 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Trump doing actual pedo and rape shit and being a convicted felon

Religious zealot chuds in the US: "there's no proof"

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