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[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 4 points 9 hours ago (11 children)

Critics of mass immigration have a point, and should not be discarded as ignorant bigots. Even if they often are.

What changed my mind: seeing neighborhoods inhabited almost exclusively by poor immigrants. And rich immigrants. Both in their own exclusive enclaves. The only ones that don't form enclaves are middle class immigrants.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I struggle with observing the mass immigration as well. Partly, because we have housing crisis in my country and the middle class is shrinking. But I believe it’s a lot because of a rate of change. High visible and sudden growth in a minority population, which is tending to collect in enclaves because there’s a housing crisis and they can rent an illegal boarding house space from a richer immigrant. Enclaves tend to diminish the rate at which they learn local language and cultural norms. They get taken advantage of because they don’t know the language (someone helps them with eg an identity card but charges them thousands for it). There’s no real jobs, just bottom of the economy gig work. It’s not fair to them.

For the people living here they see a ton of brown people coming in and inflation and housing rising so fast and the math is easy for them to do (even if it is wrong).

It happened in New York with the Irish and Italians too. It’s not a new thing.

[–] keylemmypie@reddthat.com 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Why did the enclaves change your mind?

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 hours ago

For a functional society, it's members must share the same physical and mental space. Even if individuals radically disagree with the status-quo, they are still a part of the same in-group. I call it a "rebel vs invader" dilemma. Rebels can succeed in changing a society, invaders will be resisted.

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