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Used to think left/progressive was good guys.
But late 2010s made me realize they are often terrible people with want to hurt other people just as much as the right does. there was a shift in the 2010s and too many people go way too far. I also live in town full of wealthy progressives and it's rare they aren't raging hypocrites about their beliefs. most classically where I live 'black lives matter' folks are totally against black people near them and report black folks to the police if they 'loiter' in the park nearby.
A piefed account hates leftists? Shocker.
from what i've seen this is a very american phenomenon. a lot of yanks are concerningly quick to switch off their empathy when someone is "on the other side" and they often use the same kind of tactics they decry as horrific when it is used against them. (ostracism, ableism, what have you.) they often don't have principles, just allegiances.
i'd say this is slightly more noticeable on the left than the right for the sole reason that the american right keeps its empathy off nearly all the time, while the left has it on by default but turns it off when someone's vibes don't match. but the core issue of critically low and conditional empathy is the same there.
and sure, idk how literally everyone around the world behaves, but at least the progressives i met (locally, outside the us) usually aren't like that.
yeah, Americans are weird and paranoid about everything. we have no chill about anything. probably because our society is built on instilling insecurity into everyone from birth that they are awful and worthless until they are rich or famous.
Liberals aren't leftists and actual leftists want to dismantle capitalism as a whole. Liberalism still exploits the working class and the global south.
Edit: I'm literally heavily disabled and have been homeless twice.
blah blah blah cry me a river. you are one of people I'm talking about. every communist I have met IRL was the most greedy selfish capitalism loving in their actions even as the words that came out of their mouths were all about how evil capitalism was. they were happy to exploit anyone and everything as long as it meant they got a theirs and they got angry about property taxes on the home they inherent. I have never met a legit poor communist in my life, but dozens and dozens that of them like Hasan, rich kids who like cosplaying as working-class but would kill themselves before they ever worked a real job, so they 'own their own business' or similar.
my favorite was the anarchist going on about how nobody should own property who became a landlord and started whining about taxes and kept whining about his tenants not paying him enough rent. and how there should be no new housing because he needs his investment to go up in value, etc.
and if you confront them they immediately go into some rant about how they are 'forced' to do these things because of the 'evils of capitalism'. yeah, you and me both buddy. but at least I vote for actual progressive policies, instead of beating my chest about how communism will save the world while I actively use my wealth and political power to actively punish those less wealthy than I am and ranting about how anyone who doesn't make 500K a year or have millions in the bank doesn't deserve to live in my city because they are 'lazy'.
Poor communist here. I've been homeless.
I think it's hilarious that they were agreeing with you then you shit all over them and your own point.
Yeah, like I said in my other reply, I'm heavily disabled and have been homeless twice. I am by no means a person living this pristine life—and I genuinely have seen a glimpse of how exploitative this system is.
You're also the guy who said "liberals aren't leftists". I don't even agree we should be using the term liberal. On this platform it's a slur used to condescend without a hint of curiosity. Off this platform, it's used in various ways to the point it means, in America at least, nothing more specific than "anti-republican".
To this day I don't think I've heard from a communist or anyone else using the term liberal as a slur where I didn't get the sense that my actual beliefs couldn't matter less, but I was despised for whatever shit someone wanted to make up about me. The way you wrote that comment makes me think this time would be no different. So yeah I'm NOT on your side either.
I'm of the mind that if you can use a single word/label to describe your worldview, you don't know much.
Dude, I just stopped being homeless a few months ago. I am heavily disabled, have been homeless twice, and have seen shit in my life. I don't even like Hasan Piker and frankly think he's kinda sketchy.
That aren't speaking from a place of logic or rationality, so no amount of logic or rationality will convince them.