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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My electric utility just arbitrarily added 170 (~50% of the total) bucks to my bill this month, despite me using 11% less electricity.

The whole point of being a utility is to allow the "efficiency" of a monopoly without the ability to gouge the customers. Frankly, I'm looking to see if there is a lawsuit against the utility at this point so I can join on to it.

Also looking into residential solar. Ideally I can just give my electric utility the finger and disconnect my service. Between them and gas, I'm paying about 400 bucks a month, which could get me a nice loan for a solar array, battery backup, and all electric appliances.

[–] gens@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And, funny enough, you would be doing them, the world, the datacenters, and yourself some good.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah the problem is going to be getting the loan, and I would need about 1900sqft for the solar array, which would take up most of my yard. I'd need to elevate it up near the roofline of the house, so the entire back yard would be one big partially shaded patio. Which sounds nice, but I don't think the city will let me build it.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I see white roofs that can be dark themed to reduce the load on the grid.

Wasn't there a country with too much solar, causing electricity prices to fall too low?
Do they not have any space left for data-centres?

[–] I3lackshirts94@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That’s probably true but you only get ⅓ of a day on average of power. Demands are still rising so the other ⅔ of the day prices are higher and likely still averages higher on average for an entire day even if ⅓ of it is so cheap.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You could store surplus energy with batteries, pumped storage hydro power stations, gravity batteries and so on to bridge the gap at night. It's just a matter of subsidies in the right direction and political will to get there. But currently in impending pre-war times it's more like in a diesel-punk dystopy.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 9 hours ago

I'd say you won't really require batteries for something like this, that will mostly be generating less energy than it is expending at any point of time.
Note that I am only suggesting filling the roofs and not the rest of the area around it.

Besides, they most probably have a Double-conversion UPS, so they just need to make a controller that supports a side input channel for charging from the PV output.

[–] I3lackshirts94@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Yeah but all that costs money too, subsidies or not it comes from somewhere. Maybe your electric bill is lower but you’re paying higher on taxes or on something else that could have been subsidized.

The only good subsidies do is lower risk and advance technology. No one wants to take a chance on first generation products at high cost and high risk. So once the technology is developed, scalable, and sustainable someone begins to profit off of a subsidy. What good is a subsidy if it’s taken as profit somewhere on the chain of companies building it and not saving rate payers?

Regardless, there is going to be a bottleneck somewhere when demands are spiking and it takes years for this stuff to come online to support it. Data centers are gobbling up existing capacity that was built for long term projected growth. So how are utilities going to pay for future infrastructure to replace that capacity…. rate increases for everyone! The bottle neck of generation is caused by them and huge demands quickly, not because of subsidies, technology, or political will (related energy supply). You allow the generation to go to data centers then you are bottlenecking the materials or labor to replace the capacity later.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 44 points 2 days ago (13 children)

And all we get in return are chat systems that make up bullshit facts. I mean, I don't disagree that they can actually do some useful stuff, too. But the proportion of the public that benefits from them in any meaningful way is tiny compared to the cost to the rest of us. I hope a tornado lands on Elon's gas-powered monstrosity in, where, Tennessee, I think? Destroy that shit, please.

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[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 86 points 3 days ago (8 children)

This is going to feel like the recycle scam isn't it. Corpos sucking down every last drop of energy while residential will be asked to turn up the thermostat in the summer and down in the winter so we "do our part".

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Always has been

Residents in big cities have been experiencing it for decades at this point.

ConEd saying "We're preparing for the heat wave in your area this week. Please, limit your energy usage to prevent power outages."

Yeah, and times square is still lit up full brightness. The skyscraper offices aren't doing their part. Most of them, you can feel the cold on the street from their lobbies.

[–] Graymouzer@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Charge higher rates for crypto and AI. No one should be hot or cold so some asshole can make more money.

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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This has been the case for decades, why would it change now?

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[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 108 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I live in NJ, USA. I thought I had missed a payment when my last electric bill came. Nope, just a huge rate hike. about the same amount of electricity as the prior year, double the bill.

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Were you recently told your bill is gonna go up again when they put in that massive data center in a year or so? We were told. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ no option to say "fuck you, make them pay their bills." Nope. PSE&g was like "brace for it bitch." And that was it.

[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I probably was. But I also just delete all their emails. They're the only energy distributer in my area. Even if I contracted with someone else I'd have to pay their increased distribution rates.

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[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

PSE&G told some coworkers of mine their bill would go up by “as much as 20%” shortly before they went up by 150%. One of them got a bill for $800 for their two bedroom apartment

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[–] MyOpinion@lemmy.today 26 points 2 days ago

Don’t let the tech bros into your state.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 60 points 3 days ago (14 children)

how can they get away with this? Are data centers not paying their bills?

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 2 points 11 hours ago

When they make up a significant amount of energy usage, the demands for amount and infrastructure like production and transfer increase.

They're not a consumer like the others in that their impact is much higher than what they pay for in terms of paying consumed power.

The article mentions data centers containing as much power as entire cities.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 93 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The way utility rates are set allows them to spread costs onto residential ratepayers instead of bearing it directly.

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What? That doesn’t make any sense.

[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It's essentially supply and demand. If the data center is willing to pay more, then everyone has to pay more. I hate it.

[–] BD89@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 3 days ago (14 children)

Places like data centers don't pay the same rate that individuals do though. They get an industrial rate.

Basically they cut them a break so they can fuck you. The supply is more More than enough and the only demand that increased was from corporate interests.

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[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 35 points 3 days ago (13 children)

Bigger clients negotiate bulk discounts, basically. But the other factor at play here is supply and demand. The higher the demand, the higher the price for the supply. Household demand has remained more or less the same, but because data center demand has shot up, prices have too.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tiered pricing would help.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It does

The more you use, the cheaper it is

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 25 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Why isn't the roof of that facility covered with solar panels? It might not provide all the juice they need, but it will offset some. Future facilities like this should be forced to install some sort of energy mitigation strategy before getting approval.

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[–] SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I think that sooner or later GPT 6 and higher models will become too expensive for most people, and they will moderate their ardor and start introducing restrictions on use without all this circus like, look, we have a perpetual motion machine...

But even weak models are enough to spy on you damn well.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

All the models are already too expensive for most people. Most people don't pay to use them, billionaire investors do. When the AI bubble bursts our retirement funds will collapse and billionaires will simply move money somewhere else.

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[–] pfizer_dose@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I've been thinking this for some time. It just seems completely implausible that companies like OpenAI will continue letting the people of the world use their product for free, what with the ruthless material requirements involved in it's distribution and upkeep.

To me it seems clear that the right to intellectual property and the right to work or contribute meaningfully to a workplace (as if that were actually a right) are currently being blitzscaled. I.e. these guys are running their companies at a loss to allow their product to become a necessity. Once that's achieved you will no longer have the option not to use it and they will be able to charge whatever they like.

We really need to begin pressuring states and governance to protect us from the predatory business models of these venture capitalists.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They increased their energy use to produce a provably inferior model. What the hell are they doing?

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

Raking in vc money?

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