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[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 67 points 20 hours ago (18 children)

I find it very strange how many people in the comments here think the solution is to buy an iPhone. Maybe you are all just rich and can afford to spend $1000+ based on vibes, but considering the Android market still has a massive value advantage I'm not really sure what the point of switching is. This all feels very similar to how some Westerners decided Chinese tech and even the Chinese government were suddenly problem-free just because Americans elected Trump for a second time.

[–] benjaminb@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Can you even (easily) install custom apps on iOS? The last thing I remember is it being a huge pain in the butt...

[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

If you're in the EU there is now at least one alternative app store. iOS hasn't opened up anywhere else in the world AFAIK, so it's still a pain for everyone else. You used to be able to use the AltStore without jailbreaking iOS (maybe you still can), but the process was annoying and didn't feel particularly secure as you had to provide your Apple account details.

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[–] SkeletorOfDeath@lemmy.world 23 points 18 hours ago (7 children)

I have LineageOS on my second phone, so the issue doesn't apply to custom ROMs, as the developers assured me. On my main phone, however, I still have the stock ROM because it's a new and expensive phone, and there are no custom ROMs for it yet, especially as it's a MediaTek. If they try to block sideloading, it would be a good time to report it to the European Union.

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[–] singletona@lemmy.world 61 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Apple now allows sideloading of apps and Google is trying to get rid of sideloading.

What... the Fuck?

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 7 points 14 hours ago

Apple now allows sideloading of apps and Google is trying to get rid of sideloading.

afaik only in the EU?

[–] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 30 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Apple now allows sideloading of apps

Apple allows as much sideloading as google wants to next near.

Yes, you can install from .iPa files, but you still need to pay 100€ a year to be able to sign the IPA files, otherwise you cant run them. as much as with googles new policy you now need to pay 25€ + your full name to get a signature, to sign the Apks with

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 31 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

This ⬆️ Apple has set the lowest bar, and google is simply following the trend of “how to keep your App Store the monopoly while conforming to the dma“

[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 hours ago

Yea but Apple got sued into allowing that

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 24 points 21 hours ago (9 children)

Now we have to get EU on the case 😀

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[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 24 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (3 children)

> be me
> buy new phone, chose android cause I can install anything on it
> get free iphone from work
> sell iphone on ebay cause I can install anything I want on my android
> google doesnt want me to install anything I want

Fuck me. I kept the wrong phone.

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[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 7 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Can you at least put a custom ROM on to disable this?

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[–] frozenpopsicle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

I bought a Pixel recently and for 2 days I tried to make it work. 2 whole days of fumbling pain! And I felt fucking horrible. Almost nothing is customizable and everything coated in a thick layer of AI. Every google app has dark patterns. Don't like it? Well too bad, apps like goog photos keep on asking if you want to upload your life with a recurring popup that tries to trick you. Don't want Google Search Bar? Well... you don't get to say no bitch, don't make me hurt you. It is not a healthy relationship.

So. I just took the plunge and flashed GrapheneOS. Graphene will take a bit of work getting replacements for some of my needed apps like mail and map. But there are lots of neat options and I'm having fun with it. Problem fixed.

I used the graphene web install. I booted up my Pi 4B+ and used gnome-disks to flash a MicroSD with Ubuntu 24.10 then installed the two packages in the web install instructions then I got Brave (I went to the Brave homepage and they have some curl option to download. I needed to install curl, did that then got Brave installed. Once brave is installed you have to disable browser fingerprinting memory reduction and disable the "brave shield" (the little shield near the address bar) for the web installer GrapheneOS page. (It's a fresh install, on a Pi, and I know the site, no real risk)

After this you can just press the big buttons on the page and follow the instructions on the page.

There are many ways to do this. They have lists of compatible browsers and operating systems. I picked (eww) Ubuntu and (eww) Brave because they seemed easiest on the list and I did not virtualize or use containers in any way cause it messes up the webUSB magic the website uses. I like to play it safe as possible when firmware is involved so I didnt speed up the instructions. And also when you buy a Pixel, big thing! Turn on dev tools and toggle your oem bootloader setting off and on again. If it can't do that you need to return the phone because it's locked down by carrier.

Well... I hope my long sleep deprived ramblings help someone else break their chains. Read a bunch about it before starting! Good Luck!

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[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 30 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

How does this affect "second-party" apps (i.e. apps you have created yourself)? Are you still allowed to go to Android studio, make an APK, transfer it to your own phone, and install that app? If no, this spells the death of experimental indie developers on Android.

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