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[–] ThermonuclearCactus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The virtual machine I installed windows on to play games with kernel-level anticheat and other such spyware apparently isn't compatible with windows 11. That's a positive for 2 reasons, which are:

  1. It can't run Windows 11, so no risk of a forced upgrade
  2. Windows won't constantly harass me to upgrade.

10/10 experience, would not give give Windows access to bare metal again.

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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Replace that with "will never"....except at work because most* CEOs are stupid.

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[–] MudMan@fedia.io 32 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Microsoft has given users fair warning, and said that users can get a year of updates for free but eventually the company will have to face facts and extended support beyond October.

We can’t recall a time where Microsoft has done such a thing but these are extenuating circumstances given that most users just aren’t budging.

WTF is this guy talking about? Far as I can tell this is the Win7 playbook all over again. Looking it up, this was the timeline:

Jan. 13, 2015: Microsoft ended Mainstream Support for Windows 7.

Sept. 6, 2018: Microsoft announced the ESUs for Windows 7. The ESU program is a paid service that provides critical security updates for legacy products for up to three years after Extended Support ends.

August 2019: Microsoft announced a year of free ESUs, but only for select users, including customers with an Enterprise Agreement or Enterprise Agreement Subscription with active Windows 10 Enterprise E5, Microsoft 365 E5, or Microsoft 365 E5 Security subscriptions. This was limited to only Government E5 stock keeping units.

Jan. 14, 2020: Microsoft ended Extended Support for Windows 7.

Jan. 10, 2023: The ESUs reached their end of life on the first Patch Tuesday of 2023.

That's almost a decade of post-end of support updates. If anything, MS confirmed ESU before trying to shut down home user patches this time, so it looks less like terrified backpedalling. And as the linked article itself admits, the data they're reporting on shows a significant number of users still on Win7. The article waves it away as just "too many", but the original report says 8.5%.

Because, as it turns out, the kind of people using Kapersky antivirus software and the number of people who would not upgrade from a 16 year old OS that has lost support half a dozen times over the past half a decade show significant overlap. In the Steam survey right now Win 7 is only 0.07%, for reference.

While we're at it Win 11 is 60% vs 35% for Win 10. For all the headlines when Steam shows Linux growth you don't often hear over here that Win 11 went up by 0.5% and Windows overall went up by 0.36%, although it's worth noting that Windows has been pretty stable between 94 and 96% since the survey started.

I've said it before and I'll keep reality checking it: the Win 10 end of support process has been wildly overhyped, particularly among Linux-friendly circles. It is not meaningfully different to moves out of other "good" versions of Windows and it's not a catastrophic crisis point for MS, for better and worse. They'll keep support up for the people who need it for as long as they're willing to pay and most legacy home users won't even know their old Win10 is unsupported because it'll just keep happily chugging along with all the same malware it already has until something breaks and they have to buy a new laptop with a preinstalled Win11 or 12 or whatever.

The most the Win10 death hype is doing to hurt MS is create a flurry of social media posts that can convince tech savvy, Linux-curious users who were previously held back by lack of gaming support to give user friendly distros a try.

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[–] User79185@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean... they force to upgrade people to OS with critical SSD issues.

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What?! Are they not emphasizing that the start menu has moved from the left of the screen to the middle of the screen? Really seems like that alone should hook people.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They should advertise the new feature of not being able to put the task bar on any side of the screen you want! "We're improving your experience by making it worse!"

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they did convince me to upgrade to linux mint 22 tho

[–] Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Wait...
Excluding half of the active PCs or so from upgrade due to arbitrary hardware constraints didn't push upgrading?
How can this be??? 😯🫢

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 21 points 3 days ago (6 children)

It's not "arbitrary" I'd say. It's part of a long term plan to probably push a fully trusted platform. Yes, so they can ID you by hardware etc but also lock down driver installs and maybe even software installs one day.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Yeah, because if I did then in another 5 years it would be the same thing with Windows 12. Then 13. And so on. So I'm ditching Microsoft entirely in October and moving onto Mint.

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[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I use Win11 on my main computer for work and school reasons. I need maximum compatibility and reliability and it has met those goals. Back in the day, I used to use Linux on my old laptops and I dual-booted it on my main PC. It has been awesome seeing how far it has come and I would like to get back into it some day.

That being said, a huge barrier for Linux and prospective new users is the community. The Linux community is highly combative and toxic and it absolutely sours what should (and could!) be a great experience. Almost every interaction I had while troubleshooting had some level of condescending attitude or outright hostility and there were numerous times I was directly insulted for asking for help - the most recent being a couple years ago when I was trying out a distro and had sound driver issues.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I have to say, I've only been using Linux for maybe 2 years now, and my experience regarding the community has been the exact opposite.

Especially on this site, everyone is very kind and helpful.

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[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

I got Windows 11 just because my work pc was Win 11. I learned where everything got moved. I use Bazzite Linux at home now. Loving it. Learned a lot and I'm still learning. Now I need to learn how to overwrite Windows 11 with an older version without fudging my GRUB (again, I really don't like having to fix that thing)

[–] Xed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 days ago

I’m glad I’ve done away with Windows and Word/ office products for a very long time. Good riddance

[–] Moltz@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 days ago

Literally got a full screen pop up in the middle of work reminding me, that I, in fact, can't upgrade to Windows 11. Like no shit, I turned TPM off for that very reason. You'd think Microsoft would expect me to know at this point as this was the upteenth reminder hijacking my entire screen. I'm sure I'll get more of them.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

Read the room, Microsoft.

[–] maplebar@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Speaking of which... What's the least invasive way of installing Windows 11?

My main desktop has a Linux and Windows 10 dual-boot setup, but I was thinking about switching to something like Windows To Go when Windows 10 hits EOL, only to find that WTG is no longer supported. I've heard that it's still possible to make a bootable Windows 11 USB using Rufus, but that it's somehow finicky or buggy...

I'm not sure if using a VM is a viable option for me, as I would probably need GPU passthrough and I really only have space for a single GPU in my current case (that would be used by my Linux host).

Am I stuck dual-booting?

[–] generic_computers@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

My gaming computer runs Windows 11. I honestly couldn't tell you the difference between Windows 10 and 11.

[–] Chivera@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

They allow you to enroll in extended updates so you can get more time to upgrade 🤣

[–] RedEyeFlightControl@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Have the not learned anything? In 30 years of windows releases???

To get customers to upgrade, they have to release Windows 12. We only upgrade every other major version, because every other major version is terrible. Including W11.

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[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

beatings will continue until morale improves

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