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[–] PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Just need to financially cripple investment into companies like this. Go out of your way to march with your wallet to get impacts into their profitability.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 days ago

Please support 404media of you can. They have a free plan which helps or donate. As ypu can see, they do god's work since he's to lazy to do it.

[–] FE80@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Has anyone set one of these up? A friend of mine just found one in a box during their move, and asked if this project was still active.

[–] FE80@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Install the android developer tools, or whatever it is that includes the adb utility. Download the software from the EFF & run the install script while your device is plugged in via usb.

https://github.com/EFForg/rayhunter/releases

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 198 points 4 days ago (12 children)

Thanks for including the mirror, OP.

Companies that obtain mobile phone location data generally do it in two different ways. The first is through software development kits (SDKs) embedded in ordinary smartphone apps, like games or weather forecasters. These SDKs continuously gather a user’s granular location, transfer that to the data broker, and then sell that data onward or repackage it and sell access to government agencies.

The second is through real-time bidding (RTB). When an advert is about to be served to a mobile phone user, there is a near instantaneous, and invisible, bidding process in which different companies vie to have their advert placed in front of certain demographics. A side-effect is that this demographic data, including mobile phones’ location, can be harvested by surveillance firms. Sometimes spy companies buy ad tech companies out right to insert themselves into this data supply chain. We previously found at least thousands of apps were hijacked to provide location data in this way.

I really despise these practices. I don't know how people can build these tools with a clear conscience.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 68 points 4 days ago (3 children)

That’s easy. You just ignore your conscience because money speaks louder to these people.

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[–] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 57 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If the government had a right to that data they wouldn't need to pay for it, they could just subpoena it. But they don't, so instead they're paying middle men to circumvent our rights.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yup. Look up tow truck companies, they track license plates with their readers and lease the data to police since police can't track without a warrant.

[–] NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, doing everything they can to make "land of the free" whiter.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago

Land of the melanin free

[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 92 points 4 days ago (3 children)

A proper Linux phone cannot come soon enough

[–] StefanT@lemmy.world 47 points 4 days ago (5 children)

As much as I would love to have a Linux phone, it will not fully help with privacy. The devices are logged into a cell tower and have a unique ID. This alone makes them trackable.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

A Linux phone could theoretically use other networks. You could pipe traffic through I2P or bounce it around multiple network types with reticulum. It’s actually theoretically possible to make a community mesh that doesn’t need cellular at all. I don’t NEED to carry the entire internet with me everywhere. I can carry a device with a cache of stuff I need but for everything else I can just connect to some sort of network to fetch it when I actually need it on demand.

A Linux phone would let you do that. You can explore that possibility. Android and IPhone will never allow that because latency is shot on the alternative networks and they aren’t expensive enough to make a profit off of.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A removable physical or electronic SIM on a system that has full control of inbound or outbound traffic (linux phone) would still be a whole lot better than nothing. Imagine having a switch to reliably sever any heartbeat signals between the tower and the device at any time.

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[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Of course the US Government is using Israeli Spyware to track American citizens.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Trump’s executive order just made anyone who is critical of his administrations criminal conduct a terrorist by royal decree. We all should be armed and prepared to defend ourselves and our families against tyranny. They’re “disappearing” people without accountability. The pedo king literally declared war on citizens for not conforming to his dictatorship. The military was instructed to commit war crimes against American citizens yesterday. ie:raping and pillaging. Am I misreading the situation?

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 39 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

This appears to suggest that smartphone makers (Apple, Google, etc.) are violating privacy agreements and selling user's private data. Has anyone read their privacy agreements lately?

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not just phone makers, but the telecom companies. Even if your phone shares no location data, it still checks in with a cell tower constantly. As you move around, so does your registration at a tower. It's accurate to about 2 miles. Match that with your known home address or work address and your location is easily guessed

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[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 64 points 4 days ago (29 children)

Bro...my weather app is selling my data? 😦

I just wanted up-to-date travel conditions in a convenient widget. My taxes already pay for the meteorology, why do they need to sell my data too??

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 4 days ago (13 children)
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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So they will know where I have been? Even though I am not American... I remember when the British government demanded that Apple give them that kind of information on all iPhone users all over the world and Apple told them to go fuck themselves.

This is some real bullshit.

[–] cyberwitch@reddthat.com 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because they will never quit. Ever. We need to get lucky and stop them every time (and I feel powerless beyond signing some petition online and maybe making a donation), but they need to get lucky once.

And I cannot recall a single time that such laws were ever repealed. The patriot act has had some questionable efficacy and now ICE and the Trump administration want so many more additions that there is just no going back.

Even in Canada, which never had an issue with terrorism, has passed many laws heavily infringing on people's freedoms and are trying to pass the biggest one yet with Bill C-2, even though it actually weakens border protections and gives American companies far, far more ability to surveil Canadians than ever before. This is when violence and terror threats have been greatly diminishing for years (and not because of some BS laws).

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

Because they are planning for if people rise up to fight back. It’s not about protecting you. It’s about protecting them.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 58 points 4 days ago (5 children)

This reminds me of something... What was it... Hmm...

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[–] portuga@lemmy.world 45 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Is it me or are these ice goons getting fatter everyday? Are they eating the immigrants?

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 3 days ago

Meal Team 6, Fatstapo, etc.

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 24 points 3 days ago
[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

Ever wondered what it would have been like if the gestapo had real-time awareness of every citizen's location at all times? You're about to find out.

[–] Teal@piefed.zip 14 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Some choices to help would be to avoid using precise location for weather apps. Course is usually very good unless you're a weather tracking hobbyist. If you're not using ad blocking it's never a bad time to start.

Ad blocking in browser is good but combined with a DNS service that offers block lists like Hagezi's options it's great. These lists can block a lot of tracking and telemetry data and not just the ads themselves. ControlD and NextDNS are two solid options. NextDNS doesn't offer Hagezi Threat Intelligence Feeds specifically but have their own proprietary version. The company claims it covers much of Hagezi's lists but I haven't compared.

ControlD has a 30 day free trial period with two plans either $20 or $40 per year. The $40 per year option has a future called Redirect. Their description "Spoof various web services, apps and platforms to geo-distributed proxy locations and appear to be in a different country".

NextDNS has a free plan that can be used on multiple devices. Paid is $20 per year for unlimited. The catch to the free plan is it's good for 300,000 queries per month. If you get close they email a warning and if you go over the service will still work as a DNS but without the blocking. It will automatically start again the next cycle.

Here's the Hagezi GitHub but other lists are good too like OISD and AdGuard lists.

https://github.com/hagezi/dns-blocklists

I use Ultimate but that may be too restricted for some. It will break websites and apps like FaceBook, WhatsApp, Instagram. If you use those a slightly less strict list a better choice. You'll still get protection but there's a balance to everyone's needs so do read up on each list and what makes sense for you.

All that wrapped in a trusted VPN and you're doing pretty well. Nothing is perfect and if a government power wants to know where you are this isn't going to stop them. For me that's not what this is for. I use this stuff against the ads and tracking crap everywhere. I'm not trying to hide and can't really offer much regarding that.

I'm maybe a bit over the top compared to some. If this all sounds crazy a simple ad blocker (AdGuard, uBlock Origin) in browser and course location for weather and anything else location based that makes sense is a solid start. You can always whitelist websites you wish to support via ad revenue if that's an interest.

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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 8 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Time for meshtasctic? Or nothing. How about never using our phones again?

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Definitely considering looking into portable Faraday cages...

Guess it doesn't really matter when the license plate on my car is tracked everywhere I go and all the big businesses use face identification the moment you walk into their stores, probably all run by the same vendor and packaged and sold to the highest bidder.

I hate this dystopia.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This will not help sale of smartphones.

[–] jve@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This will not affect sale of smartphones.

FTFY

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[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 days ago (4 children)

It will not hinder it either. People will give up many things before their smartphones.

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