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Being a Nazi is not only not banned in most countries, in some like the US it's explicitly legal (i.e. "Freedom of Speech"). That said, it is (kinda) banned in Germany, yet they are still around over here, because you can't ban people from believing in stuff.

All a state can do is to try and prevent them from gaining too much traction, and I do not feel like Zionism has all that much tbh. Israel's recent actions are very unpopulat in the west, even though most people are not even affected by them in the slightest. Many of the people who protest them probably have no direct connection to Israel or Gaza. So what's the goal of a ban even?

I can only speak for Germany, but here an Israeli sniper and alledged murderer fled the country, bacause he is being persecuted for warcrimes, i.e. the murder of civilians. You also cannot call for the extermination of anyone without riscing consequences. This does not prevent people from being Nazis, Zionists or anything else. It just sanctions them for publicly expressing it.

Because being involved in international politics at the state level has a similarly effect on one's morals as the One Ring

Looking at America, obviously Nazism isn't banned, we have elected a ton of the fuckers.

Nazism isn’t “banned” per se, at least in the U.S. as the First Amendment does not allow for viewpoint discrimination, however repugnant a viewpoint might be. But the First Amendment does not protect against cultural, social, or other forms of non-government backlash for those who support disgusting ideologies like Nazism.

So there is no “banning” that could take place of the Zionist viewpoint, if we were to consider it on par with Nazism. By and large in the U.S., Zionism and Nazism are not seen as equally repugnant viewpoints in the cultural landscape, hence the difference in how supporters of these views are treated. Hope that makes sense.

because Nazis was the enemy and declared war on them while Zionists are the west allies.

Well, at least in the US, Israel “donates” money via groups like AIPAC to politicians and scores them lucrative business deals in return for political favors and financial aid to Israel, using taxpayer money.

Which they turn around and give a part of it back to the politicians in their next bribe. It’s massively profitable for both Israel and the US politicians, as well as the military contractors who make the weapons the US “sells” to Israel.

In short, Israel helps US politicians embezzle taxpayer money legally for their personal gain.

Because those same countries were never ideologically opposed to fascism in the first place. America was a major inspiration for Hitler, namely in its jim crow laws and eugenics. Before world war 2, America loved Hitler. And the western powers are the reason why Zionism exists as an influential ideology to begin with. Britain gave the land for zionists to colonize to begin with. All of these same countries also committed the same atrocities themselves when colonizing places like the Americas, Africa, and Asia. Liberal governments have never been opposed to colonialism, genocide, or fascism.

Capitalist countries rarely enforce their policies on right wing extremism. Fascism is a guard dog of capital they think they can keep leashed. In the 20th century that guard dog was pointed east so that it could harm the communists which threatened capital then. Today that guard dog is used to control resources in west asia and hide the dirtier work of imperialism that the west doesn't want as seen on their hands. They can't ban zionism because they need Israel and zionism is foundational to Israel.

Well, at least here in the US it's because our politicians are openly bribed by Israel.

People are still pretty sorry about the Holocaust, there's Christian mysticism associated with it, the Middle East is a rough neighborhood and Zionists have all of those things to great effect.

Because... gestures at wikipedia. It's a long story.

Because Zionism is not per se a problematic thing let alone comparable to Nazism. It's basically the idea that Jews should have their own nation in any form or shape. It's a national liberation movement.

What Netanjahu and his racket is making out of it is Religious or Revisionist Zionism specifically. And it's at least slightly problematic comparing that to Nazism as well.

"Western democratic" countries love their manifest destinies and their Lebensraums. The reason they, after a lot of infighting, mostly agreed the Nazis were bad is that they also did it to white people. Zionists are just continuing that proud tradition, now on a target they agree is subhuman, so it's illegal to be against it.

Mostly because a lot of western nations got occupied/ bombed by the Nazis, but not by zionists

Sadly, Nazism isn't banned in most western countries.

They couldn't even get that right.

Law is a social construct

The people deciding what gets banned are zionists.

Nazism isn't banned anywhere. If it were, Zionism and any other nationalism would most certainly be banned.

To answer your question, because it serves capital.

Basically, because NATO and Russia are in an economic stand-off where Iran is the key, and Israel is really the only plausible excuse for the US to invade Iran

They have the same intent, but there's no proof that there is a plan to really actively murder all Palestinians. Also, people in Gaza now have about as much food to eat as inmates of Nazi concentration camps had in the first half of 1940's, but the rest of the horrible torture is not being done.

So, basically, people are okay with what the Nazis did between 1932 and 1941. But from 1941 onwards, Nazis went over some line that is not acceptable.

In my opinion, Nazis were horribly evil already in 1932 and what they did back then was already absolutely condemnable, but it seems that most people in our society don't share my view on this. You are allowed to commit a genocide using starvation and bullets, like the Nazis did until 1941, but when you start using actual gas chambers, it becomes a no-no.

All the western countries done their own genocides within recent history, and have run out of victims. But the basic colonial mindset never went away.

It must be like a breath of fresh air that, yet again, brave Europeans have a frontier to conquer and savages to tame.

That, and most leaders are being actively blackmailed by the Israeli intelligence services; and also, a good chunk of their population thinks Israel is required for their Sky God to kill most of the people on earth and reap their souls in judgment day.

Western democracies have done a lot of progress the last generations, but scratch at the surface and one will find a medieval mindset. Scratch at that and one finds a stone age mindset.

IMO it's because the western oligarchs are making bank selling military tech to israel.