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Hey all. Getting right to it:

Last November, a majority of my wife's family voted trump. I immediately made known my disgust and that I had no interest in maintaining relationships with any of them. My wife is equally appalled, but family is important to her and she chooses to compartmentalise it for the sake of their relationships. That's her call. Typically, her mother comes to stay at our house for an extended period as we live far away, and this year I tolerated her being here for the sake of my wife.

But now, thinking about the next visit and how bad things have gotten, I can't even stand the thought of having her in my house, let alone being in the same room as her. I really don't want her here at all, but I will again tolerate her for my wife's sake. However I think it's likely that I will make myself pretty scarce during that time.

So the ethics question is - given that I expressed my distaste after the election but still remained cordial, is it ok, ethically speaking, to become more resentful as the consequences of their actions become more apparent? Or, given that what has happened since is pretty much out of everyone's hands, am I locked in to the level of hostility I showed immediately after?

I guess the distilled version is - a person does X, I express disapproval. Is it ethical to express MORE disapproval as additional unforeseen consequences of X become apparent?

Thanks for your thoughts!

Edit to Clarify - My mother in law is not MAGA and I don't think she's enjoying any of it. She thinks we can "just not talk about it" and everything will be fine. However she has become more racist and judgemental (anti-trans etc) in recent years. Hates Joe Biden and Kamal Harris but can't or won't say why. Thanks for the responses so far and I'll try to respond, but I'm about to start work shortly.

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[–] AmericanEconomicThinkTank@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sorta. Anger and resentment tends to fester continually so ensuring you make your grievances known one way or another can help. If you do want to make it known, but cannot have a healthy dialogue, I personally recommend you write it out, and once you have it dialed in you can send it or hand it to them if you wish.

Personally though, I'd def say that making sure your sweetheart of a wife knows how your feelings have been and continue to move is just as if not more important. Has she mentioned the how and why she managed to tolerate politics given everything?

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[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Besides voting for Trump, is there anything else problematic with her behavior? Because, you know, everyone can make a mistake, and being a family is about doing your best to accept people regardless of their flaws.

You say she’s not MAGA, so is it her forcing you into unwanted political conversations or is it the other way around? Because if it’s you who’s constantly pressuring her on his this issue, it kinda isn’t fair for you to complain about it.

[–] Likwidkat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm in a similar situation but it's my mother (and other relatives), not my wife's. A big part of the problem for me is they keep making the same fucking mistake and just want to pretend it never happened when the consequences arrive. One mistake is forgivable, but she's done it three times now. If I let it slide, she'll just keep making the same mistake, so yeah I'm the one pressuring her on this issue.

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[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's neither, she prefers to not address it at all. I don't, but I think that's too close to giving her a pass. I've already left the handling of her family to my wife, they all know where I stand. I was more curious about the ethics, from a purely academic standpoint, of me continuing to get angrier at these people over the consequences of a choice they made almost a year ago.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago

You married your wife because you love her. Her mother-in-law came as a package deal. You can't have one without the other, because she is the one who raised her. Perhaps she did make the wrong choice a year ago, but you can't keep holding it against her. You don't have to agree with her views, you just have to try to accept her regardless, until she softens up on her stance.

Hate is it not driven out by hate. It's only driven out by Love.

[–] LordMayor@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want to avoid your MIL. I also think it’s reasonable for your wife to maintain the relationship.

Can you use her visit as excuse to take a vacation—alone or with friends—or visit your family? Given the circumstances, I think avoidance is a perfectly valid option. Get some you time if your wife is cool with it.

[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago

I'm definitely planning to not be around the MIL much. I have a home office to hide in. I've briefly considered taking a weekend camping here or there, but that would hurt my wife as camping has always been an us thing. But when I say she stays for an extended period, I'm talking multiple months in a normal year. Guess I'll just install some computer games! 😉

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 2 points 2 days ago

This is by far the most reasonable compromise I’ve seen. OP, if the MIL absolutely must visit, this is a completely fair thing to demand in exchange. You are making a sacrifice for the sake of your wife. If you’re willing to be flexible, she should be, too.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

These people are guilty of crimes against humanity many times over. Crimes against the American people, war crimes, treasonous acts against the constitution...you name it.

You shouldn't feel obliged to entertain people who support that. Zero consequences for these people means zero reconciliation for their atrocious behavior.

In the wise words of Christopher Walken:

[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago

This is where I'm at. I have a hard time scrounging up any kindness or forgiveness. I also have a hard time accepting the ignorance excuse when we've all seen the last 10 years of trump.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Do they show any kind of remorse, like "I didn't think it would be that bad", denial "I don't believe [bad thing] actually happened", or are they straight-up going "serves them right, fuck them kids"? If it's the third option, I wouldn't even let them into my house anymore.

[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago

Kind of in the middle, ignore it and it doesn't exist. If she was full maga then definitely not allowed in the house. My wife's 2 sisters are and I've made it clear they shouldn't bother coming to our city expecting to be invited into our home.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would make myself scarce and hard to find

[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago

That's the plan! 😜

[–] Drbreen@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Usually I'd think that a person's political opinions /choices are their own and they're entitled to it and we shouldn't allow it to divide us but your country is fucked. What's been happening and the atrocities played upon the people in your country is beyond fucked and appalling. Unless she is able to see this and regrets her decision, I believe she is still responsible and complicit to what is happening.

This is a real extreme circumstance what is happening in your country and my comment is really on the exception here. Those who voted Trump and still don't regret it are fucked in the head somewhere.

[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, didn't want to advertise the fact, but we got ourselves and our daughters out about 10 years ago, and a big driver of that was everything that's happening now. I've never been a US citizen, but I lived there for a decade and have a lot of fondness for the place. My wife has always loved her country and considers herself a patriot, but she has no intention of ever setting foot on US soil again.

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[–] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Your wife made the decision for you collectively not break off the relationships all together. I understand that you don't like it. The adage that blood is thicker than water applies here on top of any other concern. And that's why I would tread carefully in the interest of your marriage. Another folk wisdom is that morals are something you need to be able to afford. And my guess is you will not be able to do so here in the way you would prefer. While her family is at your house, you mustn't tolerate any bullshit and you should be free to express your dismay at the protofascist state of affairs. But I would keep it at a non-shouting, non-hostile level. Your wife has spent your morals money. Try to look at it as an opportunity to change minds. If they are at your house they cannot run away, you have a semi-captive audience, in which you can sow the seeds of doubt. If there is to be another election, this is better than a clean cut, breaking off contact, and entrenching opinions out of spite on their side. Grit your teeth and roll up that rock, Sisyphus. Calm arguments and facts, tackle the ball not the player. And find a way to channel your frustration elsewhere (punching bag in the garage, walk the dog, friendly ear that maybe isn't your wife's, etc.).

[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago

Grit your teeth and roll up that rock, Sisyphus. Calm arguments and facts, tackle the ball not the player

Uggggh! That's haaaaard!!! But solid advice.

[–] TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I should preface everything I'm about to say by saying there is probably a reason you are married and I am not, and that my response is probably wrong.

I lived a somewhat similar experience during his first presidency and COVID. Personally, I would have the most issues with my partner. By ignoring the abhorrent behavior and decisions of their family and choosing to interact with them anyway, they are condoning what their family is doing. Even if they are somewhat vocal in their disagreement, the family is avoiding the consequences of their actions since the spouse is still giving them what they want.

If my spouse shut them down and called them on all of their bull shit, I'd probably be OK with them continuing the relationship, but most people aren't willing to do that.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 2 days ago

Depends on how much you value your wife.

[–] J92@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Id just talk about it being disgusting like they didn't vote for it. 'Other it' around them and try not to put it like you're attacking them. I'd say, for the sake of your family connection by way of your wife, you have to stomach some degree of it. Engendering division only helps the goblins like Miller and Bannon.

I'm talking as someone who's mother and father voted for Brexit instead of trump, and I refuse to act like it hasn't been a gigantic fucking mess.

[–] Jaybird@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's your and your wife's home. So your rules apply. Make that agreement with your wife beforehand. So there are no fights afterwards.

Things like;

  1. She must not address you. Basically act as if the other person does not exist.
  2. The visit will be as short as reasonably possible. For longer bouts with her daughter, your wife can visit her mother.
  3. She must be humble and accept the extreme difference in views.
[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

She must not address you. Basically act as if the other person does not exist.

The MIL has already offered to not engage in politics, take her up on the offer. Batting away the olive branch just comes off as childish.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's not what olive branch means.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Then explain it.

What do you think "olive branch” means in this situation?

[–] db2@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

It means nothing in that situation. She's not giving anything, she's demanding not to be challenged.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You don't have to agree with your family's politics. It's basically guaranteed a huge chunk will disagree with you on something. Just don't talk about politics with them since it upsets you so much.

It's perfectly reasonable to steer the conversation away from politics if it comes up, and if they insist, particularly at your house, be a bit more direct about not having political discussions over the dinner table.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is like telling someone living in Germany in 1932 to just chill and steer the conversation away from Hitler if it comes up.

[–] Darkenfolk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Which they probably did to keep themselves and their families save, so that wasn't that good of a comparison tbh.

Considering what happened after 1932 I think it is a good comparison.

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