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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Burry also lost money since 2008 making shorts like Tesla. The Big Shart.

[–] ragas@lemmy.ml 11 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

I mean, he is not wrong per se, he just had the wong timing.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 8 points 21 hours ago

With shorts timing is all that matters.

[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

...what if he had the Jiang time?

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Looks like very mixed returns. Which is what you'd expect from a strategy of betting on areas that are significantly overvalued.

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Which would explain why the Fed is dumping trillions of dollars into banks right now.

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nvidia down ~8% this week, Palantir down ~10%

Maybe the needle really is shifting.

[–] ButtermilkBiscuit@feddit.nl 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe, but he's also been super wrong a bunch of times on his skitzo twitter account so grains of salt and all that. Not saying the guy isn't smart, clearly called one of the biggest systemic crisis of our times, but he struck gold once and struck out a bunch more often.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 56 points 1 day ago (7 children)

The fact that he was even able to make that bet is incredible. How deluded do you have to be to think the AI bubble won't burst? Keeping it going will require in ever-increasing amounts of money to paper over the gaping chasms that keep cropping up, and eventually the amount of money necessary to keep it going will cease to be feasible. Then, after taking gullible investor for all of they've got, the whole thing will fall over in the world's most well deserved and predictable market crash.

The subprime mortgage collapse was inevitable only in hindsight, you had to have a good understanding of the market to see it in advance. To see the level of corruption and false promises that have to be made in order to make the mortgage bubble possible. But everyone can see the AI BS right out in the open, I'm not talking about the "how many Rs are in strawberry" questions either, I can sort of see why that's not really a fair question. I'm talking about the fact that every single business that has ever tried to replace its employees with AI, has always failed, and failed almost immediately. Even Amazon couldn't make it work.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

inevitable only in hindsight

I'm not so sure. I'm still friends with a guy who told me emphatically "you dont understand what we did, we destroyed the global economy" and then explained the whole subprime mortgage scam to me, back in like 2007. Lots of downstream businesses, new home builders, paint and drywall companies, building materials stores, started folding several months before the official crash as well. I wasn't nearly as aware of things then, I was a grown adult but not yet 30 and with little formal education, but there were definitely huge flashing signs. Only the media, based 100% on the words of the banks and insurance companies, thought that a crash was undetectable.

I'm not sure quite what it would look like yet, but I'm willing to bet if you look where these data centers are being built, when the cash runs out to keep the whole scam afloat, these big companies will stop paying their bills. The smaller companies providing services and supplies will run out of money before the huge mega corpos start showing signs, so that is one of the metrics I'm watching closely. I just happen to live in the shadow of these data centers so I'll be pretty close to it, that is if I'm right.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 5 points 23 hours ago

One of the first deals I did in real estate (~2006) was a sale at 115% loan-to-value, no money down, seller-paid closing costs. The buyers received $2500 at closing. Nobody batted an eye.

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[–] silasmariner@programming.dev 29 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I think the idea is that, whilst shorting, you get squeezed. The question is not 'if' but 'when' and if it takes too long and you're $1B deep you can lose your shirt

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[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think, AI quality aside, it's mostly a matter of timing - IMO the AI bubble is obviously going to pop, NVIDIA's market cap is now 16% of the entire US GDP and OpenAI is trying to IPO at a trillion dollars, which seem like ludicrous numbers to me. But I learned from the last few years that you can also never really underestimate society's ability to just say fuck it and kick the can even further down the road.

And of course, SOMETHING is going to have to be the final straw that brings it all down, and it could very well be this. But I also didn't think we'd get this far - the 2008 crisis didn't do it, COVID somehow didn't do it, but these things are are also all compounding as we don't deal with them properly. And if AI is going to be the last straw, how long can we put it off for? Could it pop next year or can we still hold it off for another decade with even more ludicrous number-fuckery? I think that's where the trick is going to be.

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[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

everyone can see the AI BS right out in the open

To me it is four things in particular:

  1. How AI use erodes skills in the subject AI is being used to assist in. This is a 100% occurrence, and has been demonstrated across all industries from software developers to radiologists. Most experience a 10-20% erosion in their skill set within the first 12 months of AI use, but others in the study groups have seen up to a 40% erosion in their skill sets.
  2. How AI use shuts down critical thinking, and makes users more stupid. This is a 100% occurrence, and has been clearly demonstrated by MRI scans of the prefrontal cortex while users are actively using AI.
  3. How AI use makes the user slower. This is the only user point that is not 100%, as only less than 2% of the most senior and skilled users show a slight increase in work completed… after more than 12 months of using AI. Projections have been made on the other 98%, and over 90% of them will never work faster with AI than without it, regardless of training or experience.
  4. The gratuitous hallucinations, which are only increasing in scope and severity with every AI generation. It arises entirely from the constraints the AI are rewarded with - providing no answer is weighted just as negatively as a wrong answer - and anywhere from 60-80% of all responses are hallucinatory or incorrect in some fashion, depending on the current model.

In prior generations, any industry with such performance would be laughed clear out of the boardroom.

But because capitalism is desperately seeking a solution to what they perceive as a problem - how to obtain labour without having to pay said labour - AI is being adopted hand-over-fist.

After all, the underlying purpose of AI is to allow wealth to access skill while removing from the skilled the ability to access wealth.

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Some guy spending a billion dollars on pretty much nothing makes me deeply annoyed. Tax billionaires.

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[–] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 208 points 1 day ago (42 children)

If I had to make a guess, I say it probably will. The convenience of AI is probably here to stay, but the craze of replacing everything with AI will go out the door.

AI will become exactly what it should have been in the first place: an assistant. Not your friend, not your doctor, not your therapist, not a replacement for artists/authors/programmers, and not inside every piece of tech post 2025. It has a place. That place is over-embellished right now, not to mention unsustainable.

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[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

A billion dollar bet against a trillion dollar bubble. Cute.

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[–] ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It is a gamble for sure against innovation and a blind one too. I say this as it is clear right now that scaling up LLMs while very effective at substantially improving many AI metrics, it really did not have much impact on logic. I have been calling this the Cognitive Gap and it is really holding back AI.

Clearly the big LLM companies do not have a solution to this gap despite efforts like the reasoning models and that likely means we need an entirely different tech to front end LLMs or replace them.

This begs the question…who has a line of sight on how to scale up logic and the answer as near as I can tell is no one right now. Maybe there is something in a lab somewhere, or even with just a small team or individual, but it is not presently visible. It could come out any day now and make all those Data Center investments worthwhile or may take years before we see the Cognitive Gap close which will really make those same Data Centers completely out of alignment with the value they bring.

Shorting the AI industry is a roll of the dice, but less so than the blind investments still happening in Data Centres despite no clear path to improve logic and close the Cognitive Gap. In fact shorting seems like the safer bet.

Going to be interesting as if the Cognative Gap is not closed for years to come, those Data Center investments are never going to pay off as the value will just not be there. The entire USA economy is tied to AI it seems right now so the roll of the dice is perhaps the biggest risk / reward in history.

[–] unit327@lemmy.zip 4 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

And even if they solve some problems with AI and make them smarter, they still have to solve the "actually making a profit" problem to justify these share prices. LLMs already have some use at their current level, but certainly not for the price they'd need to charge to break even, let alone actually making a profit. If they double the smarts but double the training and/or inference cost, they'll still end up in the same place.

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[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 114 points 1 day ago (5 children)

As an aside, you can tell how successful the rebranding of twitter as “x” has been, since even now more than 2 years after the rebranding news articles still have to add “formerly known as twitter” every time they mention it.

[–] NecroticEuphoria@lemmy.ml 113 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I still call it Twitter regularly.

To me, X is a windowing system.

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[–] Klowner@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That dumbass throwing away the Twitter brand for a damn letter should be proof enough to anyone that he's a moron

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The simple fact that somebody was able even to bet a billion is insanity that should never be possible to begin with.

Nobody should have a billion dollars, let alone have so much that you can just safely bet a billion dollars

Them he's betting.yhst the economy will crash, basically, and we're okay with that shit.

All of this should be illegal as fuck, and this guy belongs in a jail cell

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Edit: Redacted a mistaken identity

I'm not sure you understand what this article is or how our markets work.

The simple fact that somebody was able even to bet a billion is insanity that should never be possible to begin with. Nobody should have a billion dollars, let alone have so much that you can just safely bet a billion dollars

He doesn't have a billion dollars. He's a hedge fund manager that manages (at least) a billion dollars collectively of other people's investment money. Its that money he's betting.

Them he’s betting.yhst the economy will crash, basically, and we’re okay with that shit.

No, he's not. He's betting against only two companies: Nvidia and Palantir. He has a relatively small bet against Nvidia ($187.6 million), and HUGE bet against Palantir ($912 million). I'm not sure I'd bet against Nvidia yet, but Palantir is co-founded by Peter Theil, ~~trump's deputy chief of staff which job has a large influence on White House policy. If you ever watched the TV show The West Wing, this would be the Josh Lyman character's job.~~

We already know trump's favor swings widely and if politics are going against trump (as recent news show) then its not unbelievable that Theil might get the boot or at least trump would punish Theil by killing lucrative government contracts to buy Palantir services.

All of this should be illegal as fuck, and this guy belongs in a jail cell

The point of shorting a stock exists so that the market can express a view that they believe a stock will fail. This is an important "canary in the coal mine" for the rest of the market. The other option is a policy that you can't criticize a company with any meaning and investors continue to put money into failing/risky companies without this important indication of the risk.

Frankly I don't like your idea of jailing someone that says "The emperor has no clothes".

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I had to go check just to be sure, but you're confusing peter thiel, the boogeyman behind such lovely individuals as vance, with stephen miller, the boogeyman behind some of the worst of this administration's vile acts against anyone less white than banana pudding.

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[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I don't follow the AI bubble trend at all. But I have been seeing alot of videos all of a sudden, popping up in my recommended talking about it. Who knows.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 6 points 22 hours ago

I don’t follow the AI bubble trend at all. But I have been seeing alot of videos all of a sudden, popping up in my recommended talking about it. Who knows.

A few banks started issuing warnings, and some of the "biggest upcoming launches" were extremely underwhelming, like Sora 2 and GPT 5. Not only that, but the companies going all in on replacing workers with AI are still not showing a clear return on investment, so this combination is making people more aware about the bubble.

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[–] Pulsar@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

I have been trying to make sense of all AI Capex announcements for a while and I don't get it. So please help me out if you know the answer.

US Investment in 2024 ~$400b, 2025 ~$500b, 2026 ~600. Global investment 2026 1.5~$2.2t. Let's say $2t US Investment by end of 2026. Investment will continue into the future but let's assume that is not the case. Also that GPU will be obsolete in 5y. So, they have 60m to recoup $2t +ROI ~10%. So about $40b a month, US has a labor force of 170m. Thus, AI industry needs the equivalent of ~$240 per month per each employee. I don't see myself or my employer paying this for AI any time soon.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I think Ray Dalio's take on it is correct. It's a consequence of currency devaluation, as people in general vote against the decrease in spending necessary to deflate the asset bubble. (1)

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[–] Toneswirly@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Its not a question of "if" but "when."

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