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[–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 36 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Does it predict people that allegedly finished university not knowing the difference between correlation and causality?

This reminds me of a fraud risk classification model I once heard about, which ended up being an excellent income-by-postal-code classifier.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It predicts people with business school degrees getting six, seven, and eight figure salaries to blow smoke up the asses of the investor pool.

This reminds me of a fraud risk classification model I once heard about, which ended up being an excellent income-by-postal-code classifier.

The dark art of sociology is recognizing how poverty impacts human behaviors and then calibrating your business to profit off it.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Sociology is one of the few majors that Florida is trying to cut from public school programs. They apparently think it radicalizes people to educate them about the way the world works.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Woaw, we skipped right from diversity hiring to phrenology hiring without wasting a single beat. Boy has the modern world become efreceint.

[–] zartemie@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

At least high variance means the possibility of an opposite swing (this is cope)

[–] _cnt0@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 days ago

Race theory 2.0 AI edition just dropped.

[–] umbraroze@piefed.social 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Boeing CEO: "We're always innovating, and sometimes we need to boldly embrace the wisdom of the past if it can be re-examined in light of current technology. From now on, our airplane navigation systems will be based on the Flat Earth model. This makes navigation so much more computationally efficient, guys."

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

So, the US Supreme Court model then.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 28 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I looked for the original article, abstract:

Human capital—encompassing cognitive skills and personality traits—is critical for labor market success, yet the personality component remains difficult to measure at scale. Leveraging advances in artificial intelligence and comprehensive LinkedIn data, we extract the Big 5 personality traits from facial images of 96,000 MBA graduates, and demonstrate that this novel" Photo Big 5" predicts school rank, compensation, job seniority, industry choice, job transitions, and career advancement. Using administrative records from top-tier MBA programs, we find that the Photo Big 5 exhibits only modest correlations with cognitive measures like GPA and standardized test scores, yet offers comparable incremental predictive power for labor outcomes. Unlike traditional survey-based personality measures, the Photo Big 5 is readily accessible and potentially less susceptible to manipulation, making it suitable for wide adoption in academic research and hiring processes. However, its use in labor market screening raises ethical concerns regarding statistical discrimination and individual autonomy.

The PDF is downloadable here: https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=2eia4X4AAAAJ&sortby=pubdate&citation_for_view=2eia4X4AAAAJ%3A_FxGoFyzp5QC

I don't have the time nor the expertise to read everything to understand how they take into account the bias that good looking white men with educated parents are way more likely to succeed at life.

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

one can also get the full paper directly from yale here without needing to solve a google captcha:

https://insights.som.yale.edu/sites/default/files/2025-01/AI%20Personality%20Extraction%20from%20Faces%20Labor%20Market%20Implications_0.pdf

I don’t have the time nor the expertise to read everything to understand how they take into account the bias that good looking white men with educated parents are way more likely to succeed at life.

i admittedly did not read the entire 61 pages but i read enough to answer this:

spoilerthey don't

[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Lmao they source the photos from LinkedIn profiles. I’m sure that didn’t bias their training at all. Yes sir there’s no chance this thing is selecting for anything but facial features.

Edit: double lmao they’re all MBAs

Edit2: they didn't even train the AI!! this paper is them just feeding linkedin photos into a third-party black-box API and then nodding thoughtfully at the results. i cant tell you how stupid the AI is because I can't find any information about it or even the API mentioned in the paper.

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wow. When I saw the article I figured it would be bad, but that’s even worse than I expected lol

What is it with these idiots trying to re-brand racism and reinvent phrenology every few decades? Are they stupid enough to believe they’re the first to think of shit like this, or are they hoping we’re dumb enough to fall for it this time around?

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[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 27 points 3 days ago

Last time did not end well for about 6 million people...

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's completely normal for fascists to promote pseudo-science. Always had been.

Indeed their publication is named after one of the worst pseudo-sciences.

[–] Boppel@feddit.org 22 points 3 days ago

"okay, okay, hear me out: what if nazi methods, but for getting a job. we could even tattoo their number on their arms. it's only consequent, we already devide by skin colour"

WTF

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Whatever it takes to keep hiring mediocre white men, I guess.

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[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

"Some might argue that the authors of this article have their head so far up their own ass that they haven't seen daylight in years"

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Everyone is kind of focusing on the hiring part, which is incredibly nazi already, but they're saying for lending too. Fucking yikes.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

How revolutionary. They're going to upend the world of finance by trying to give loans to people who can't structurally afford to pay them back in all likelihood? Isn't that the entire playbook for wage slaves to those who are otherwise of sound mind and body?

Maybe they try to just continue with the current (awful)status quo without the psuedoscience? Course then they'd lose out on the fascism.

[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago

Me and my hammer would be happy to offer our retrophrenological services to any executives looking to improve their performance and personality (painkillers not included).

[–] Brutticus@midwest.social 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why stop there? Why just banks and hiring firms? why not allow access to Law Enforcement and use the phrenology robot to screen for pre crime?

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Why not just use phrenology on babies and get rid of the problematic ones right from the start?

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How long before they start measuring skulls at job interviews

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago

This is for skin tone and gender, not the insides.

[–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What if being a nazi was meritocratic? How about no?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's been the bedrock of American business since at least the 1960s.

Our country is flush with very wealthy fascists, many of whom obtained the position thanks to their ancestors crawling across the ratlines and embedding themselves in the nascent tech sector.

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[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Plastic surgery would become more popular. $10k work done to my nose to double my salary? Yes please.

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Plastic surgery would become more popular.

One of the paper's authors had the same thought:

“Suppose this type of technology gets used in labor market screening, or maybe dating markets,” Shue muses. “Going forward, you could imagine a reaction in which people then start modifying their pictures to look a certain way. Or they could modify their actual faces through cosmetic procedures.”‌

She also bizarrely says that:

"we are very much not advocating that this technology be used by firms as part of their hiring process."

and yet, for some reason:

The next step for Shue and her colleagues is to explore whether certain personality types are drawn to specific industries or whether those personality types are more likely to succeed within given industries.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I just saw that tinder is testinf ai to match profiles.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

To be fair, Tinder really can't get any worse, at this stage.

[–] Ancalagon@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Also another way to get everyone to scan their face. Tie their employment to it.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wait a minute, this sounds suspiciously familiar... I think I heard about the psudoscience of a government measuring the size of people's heads to try to find out their ethnicity... somewhere in Rwanda... 🧐

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[–] xyguy@startrek.website 8 points 3 days ago

Measles, theocratic government, phrenology: everything old is new again.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago

Bro has the brainpan of a stagecoach tilter

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