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[–] arc99@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

It's a pity other platforms, especially social media / video platforms don't require full disclosure of use of AI. It might allow a lot of AI slop and misinformation to be eradicated, downvoted, or at least call itself out.

[–] entwine@programming.dev 27 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I think what's important in this drama is that, despite their evil monopoly shit they're guilty of, Valve really does do the right thing sometimes to win consumers. Gamers want AI disclosures, even if devs don't.

That's why it's not surprising to see that statement from Sweeny, and why it's not surprising that people still hate the Epic Games Store.

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

There's nothing evil in Steam monopoly. Their evil thing is gambling.

[–] Logical@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Just curious, what is the evil monopoly shit you're referring to? Is it simply the fact they are effectively a monopoly in games distribution, and that in and of itself is bad, or are there more specific practices or actions you're thinking of?

[–] ast3risk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

People often point to their 30% cut of all transactions (except for large publishers) and their MFN policies that force devs to price games the same on other stores too.

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[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

To add, I am pretty sure most of devs are actually for AI disclosure. Who really is against are publishers.

[–] finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 331 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

I love how Valve's strategy is basically just 'don't piss off the customers and occasionally do something super fucking cool', while everyone else in the space seems to be cutting off their nose to spite their face

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 158 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Benefits of not beinp publicly traded.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 76 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Valve also gutted their LGBTQIA+ content a few months back. And they have had a MASSIVE nazi infestation basically since they set up message boards because Gabe Newell is infamously libertarian.

So... chill a bit with the glazing. They are better in a lot of ways but they are not our friends.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 60 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

You are aware the game removals are due to MasterCard and Visa right?

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

At best you can argue that Valve will not protect you. Hence, not your friend.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (7 children)
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[–] MadPsyentist@lemmy.nz 24 points 3 days ago

Agree 100%. It is just Disclosure, if you use AI for voice lines on a robot character but the game is good then disclosing that "this game used ai during creation" isnt a bad thing, you used a tool for a tool to help make your game. I dont think disclosure hurts you.

If your game is a simple asset swap of a unity demo and you used 10 prompts to generate all the story, dialogue and sky boxes then disclousing you used ai is simple a branding iron on a pile of shit. The branding iron aint changing the smell of your pile.

There is a lot of inbetween these 2 extreams, but the consumer havung more information in the buying process is not a bad thing.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 144 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

Epic Games CEO and Fortnite boss Tim Sweeney:

everyone will have to 'fess up to using it eventually as AI will become "involved in nearly all future production."

Once again Epic games act like the moronic villains they are.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 44 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It's sad how huge companies are basically their CEO. CEO makes decisions and talks - that's the company. Even if the hundreds and thousands of workers below them [largely] disagree and would do differently.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago

This is especially bad in USA, but usually a bit better in European countries that have representation of the unions on the board.

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago

As an engineer, tell that to my seat-flattened ass Tim Apple.

Companies that use AI in production are sewing the seeds of their own demise.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Disclosure is good, but it would be useful to be granular and clear.

Games could use ai for interactive dialogue or content generation and it would be really cool.

Games could run models like olmo 3 which are completely open source, and that wouldn’t be bad in my opinion.

Ai textures probably make sense too depending on context.

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

It would be funny if a game used the base tier OpenAI api and your wizard started slipping some ads into his dialogue.

[–] lemmeLurk@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago (10 children)

It's like hard to draw a line as well. If I take a picture with my phone today of the city I live in and use it in a game, the phone applies some AI filters automatically.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 102 points 4 days ago

It’s literally a plagiarism machine, so I completely agree with them.

[–] root@lemmy.world 58 points 4 days ago
[–] LostWanderer@fedia.io 64 points 4 days ago (7 children)

I want to know if AI was used or not to make a game; it's a deciding factor for me, as I will not buy anything built with AI. No matter if it's a placeholder or not, as "AI" is an ethical and environmental concern for me, every prompt, and usage makes things worse. For me, I don't want to send a message that using "AI" is okay for a dev studio by buying the product. I'll exclude them my purchasing choices to send the right message.

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I want to know if AI was used or not to make a game; it’s a deciding factor for me, as I will not buy anything built with AI. No matter if it’s a placeholder or not

Same. Once they dipped into the convenience, I can't believe they wouldn't use it again when they're in a rush, crunching, etc.

I don't even touch games with AI-generated store assets, they just feel so cringeworthy. If you can't afford an artist, just use assets from the game ffs.

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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 49 points 4 days ago (2 children)

"Calls."

There's only one call, and it's coming from Tim Sweeny at Epic. It's just more of his usual yelling at clouds, because he's got a pathological hate-on for anyone else who runs a storefont, including Apple and Google but especially Valve. He hasn't made any positive contribution to the world since about 1998, and at this point we can all safely discard his opinion with nothing of value being lost. He wants to allow AI slime on his own platform because he thinks it'll make him free money, but maybe he ought to worry about the smell coming from his own house before he goes around trying to dictate at others how they should run theirs.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's so unfunny that the only one to contest Valve on PC monopoly is Tim Fortnite, who seemingly does the worst job everywhere yet still can still afford it. It's almost like Gaben himself created a perfect villain for his company, so it'd never be criticized.

[–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 19 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Gog (and to an extent, itch) are also competing with steam but while they might not be coming close to their market share they don’t draw anywhere near the ire that epic does and just similarly just rely on their strengths.

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[–] thenoirwolfess@lemmynsfw.com 33 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How many reasons to overthrow and kill the CEOs do we need

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Don't need more reasons, need the means to do so.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago

We need the disclosures now to slow the pace of the bullshit taking over, but it will not be stopped.

I mean, fuck, at this point if they're using photoshop to extend a background, it's AI. It'll just end up becoming the California this contains items known to cause cancer logo all over again. It's still the right thing to call it out, but everything, in short order, will require the label.

So why the fuck are they fighting to not do it? I'll be a couple of billable hours and everyone and their brother will either disclose that they're doing it or lie about it and we can move on with life.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 21 points 4 days ago

That needs just two words:

Thank you.

[–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 days ago

Slopification

LOL This is gonna catch on. I've seen things that this describes.

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