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I dont identify with my country. Im just a resource so they can collect taxes. I think their decisions are stupid and childish but its like watching babies trying to build a house.
Best you can do is to focus on your own life.
Best you can do is to focus on your own life.
Lol that's why my parents say to me. That trying to change anything in politics is pointless, futile, that, in a hypothetical revolution, I'll never get to live to see such a hypothetical victory...
I mean I kinda get it, my parents don't want their kids to die in some war...
Direct action my friend. Unionize, participate in mutual aid, opt out of their economy as best as you can. Wars are won by supply chains, not by dead idealists.
American tech companies created algorithms that happen to boost videos and news articles of fringe/extreme occurrences that take place here. The mainstream news networks also prioritize content like that, for the same reason: It's very profitable. Boring news/content just doesn't make much money.
People who have never visited the US seem to have a very distorted understanding of what everyday life is like here. We display a pretty embarrassing caricature of our country for the world to see.
And to make things even more embarrassing, we made our government ridiculous, and made our politics become pop culture (yet also very tribal) over the last ~15 years.
Because other people will blame you regardless, so it makes you wish you could avoid even telling them
You have nuanced take on things. That’s a rarity here on lemmy. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if a few of the lemmunists show up to tell you how your take on China is entirely wrong.
And speaking of nuance- the overwhelming lack of it here is pretty much the answer to your question.
Strangely, people seem to hate when blanket definitions are used to describe them, while also seeming to love using them as a weapon against others when under the Manufactured Outrage spell.
For instance, I too voted for Harris, and I’ve been called a gEnOciDe suPpOrTeR, a bOoTLiCkEr, and. bLuEmAga™. Just for voting against a fascist.
Looking for a nuanced take here is like looking for it in a gradeschool classroom. It’s best not to take any of it seriously.
For instance, I too voted for Harris, and I’ve been called a gEnOciDe suPpOrTeR, a bOoTLiCkEr, and. bLuEmAga™. Just for voting against a fascist.
The hatred between left leaning Lemmy users over the last election is crazy to me. Instead of focusing on getting rid of the current fascist regime together, so many just dogpile on anyone based on whether they voted for Harris. I feel like every other political post has a flame war that starts with a comment blaming the news on anyone and everyone on the left who didn't vote Harris or criticized dems during the campaign.
There are those of us with a bit of nuance though. I was and still am disgusted and disappointed with the Dem's positions and empathize with those who sat out in 2024 but I voted Dems them over the party looking to fast track fascism and white nationalism. I regularly get flamed for suggesting we move on from blaming each other and focus on getting rid of the fascists here and now.
I think for some people the only way they can think of to help is attempting to bully someone over the internet, and it ends up applying to whoever happens to be around that disagrees with them, even though that makes zero sense as a strategy.
If someone calls you bLuE mAgA then that probably just means you are smarter than them.
That’s how I take it as well.
It’s a sort of in-group cringe.
Emotions aren't entirely rational with a clearly thought out process to justify why one should feel them. In any case, its common enough for people to assign the general actions of people within a group to the group as a whole (which isnt really fair or a reflection of reality, but can be pragmatic at times and requires less thought and information than judging on an individual basis, so it makes sense that people's brains are wired up to do it even if its not always desirable). This can get extended to the groups one is a part of oneself, to include those whose membership one did not choose. And the US at the moment has even worse than typical leadership, has a great deal of power for that leadership to abuse, still has free enough media for people within it to stand a good chance of knowing about at least some of it, and if youre here on lemmy youre probably running into people with a somewhat higher than normal awareness of a lot of the historical abuses previous Americans have perpetrated just because it leans left and anti-establishment and those things get talked about a lot in such spaces.
When the rest of the world hates you for shit a minority of your country did, but succumb to generalized thinking and blame all Americans (looking at you, Europe), a guilt complex can be internalized.
Hating every American or having prejudices like believing every American tourists are obnoxious is bad.
But saying you hate what "America" is doing is fair, because the Country is represented by its political class
Why is it not our fault? Shouldn't we be responsible for our society? If you're not responsible for your Society then what incentive is there to change it? We should feel guilty. America's only the way it is now because we all failed.
Similar question pointed at you. I now understand it's wrong(though not sure why), but when asking an Asian American where their ancestors are from, they get offended and proudly point out that they're American. Why would you be proud to be an American? Or was I just a few years early in thinking that way?
I mean, a person from the western world is not gonna view this the same as someone from a non-western less-developed country.
Like, I know people shit on the US a lot, and perhaps it might be "the worst" in the Western World. But compared to globally, it's far from "the worst".
Like, if you gave a North Korean PRC Citizenship (which does not really happen btw, just a hypothetical), then the Now-Former North Korean would probably be proud to be a Chinese Citizen rather than being in North Korea.
Because it's relatively better by comparison.
So its the same with me. Sure, I know there are far better countries like Norway, but I mean like... Norway does not take many immigrants, and the best place I could be, given my circumstances, is the US. So, it's less about "I'm proud of my government" or "I'm proud of the history of this country", more like "I'm glad I'm here instead of [their ancestral country]". And as to getting questioned, its the fear of getting "othered", of getting rejected. So its natural to immediately declare their US Citizenship status as a defense.
I mean, I think nowadays, that's even more so the case.
Like I didn't really worry about this before. But especially nowadays, if someone, especially someone claiming to be a cop, is trying to talk to me, the first thing I'll do is immediately declare my Citizenship status and then assert my rights immediately after.
I still have memories of China, and I do not like being there. Not every Chinese American is gonna feel the same way as I do, but, at least in my case, our life in China prior to emigrating was very poor, and it got better in the US. So there's that.
When's the last time you were in China? I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a pushed social media post, but it seems like every city I've never even heard of in China looks even better than the best city America has these days. I get wanting to announce your citizenship in defense, but it does seem like it's in, well, defense. Like how Cuban immigrants were cheering their love for Trump, then got deported anyway. Is it just thinking the leapards wouldn't eat your face? This, again, bring me back to, why be proud of this? It does just seem like a forced defensive shut-up-and-smile kinda deal. Oddly enough, very much North Korean :/
When’s the last time you were in China? I wouldn’t be surprised if it was just a pushed social media post, but it seems like every city I’ve never even heard of in China looks even better than the best city America has these days.
Around 2010. Guangzhou.
The actual city part doesn't look too bad, but I lives in a slum neighborhood of Guangzhou that most tourists don't really see. It was very dirty and you go through narrow alleyways. Like, according to Baidu Maps, its a 10 minutes walk from the main street, in my memory, it always felt like a 20-30 minute walk for some reasons, it felt so distant, the walk was always boring af. It's as if through through that short walk, you time travel back in time 20-50 years. The school I went to was the worst school I ever went to. Even worst than the shittist American school I went to with a rating of like 4/10 looked better.
Although, it could've be my Hukou issue. The school I went to was not a public school, it was one for children of migrant parents that parents have to pay for. Kids without Guangzhou Hukou were not allowed Guangzhou's public schools.
So far, the worst places I've stayed at was the small apartment in Guangzhou, and the ancestral homes in parents villages in Taishan.
I mean, China looks so great? Sure, only if you are privilaged enough to live in the good parts, which my family wasn't able to. In China, most people have homes in their villages, but if they wanma find work, they'd have to go to cities, and then they'd have to rent some shitty apartment. Landlords are still a thing, but they don't call them 地主 (di4 zhu3), but instead 房东 (fang2 dong1), people "buy" (not really "buy", more like 70 years permission to use, but you get what I'm saying) housing, then lease it, kinda profits off it.
In Guangzhou, we were second-class residents.
China isn't really one united country when you really think about it. It's a bunch of different countries with different internal passports in a trench coat. Y'all can leave your red state shitholes and go to a blue city, in a blue state, and you are treated as any other resident.
In China, my ancestors are from Taishan, so I'm always a 台山人 Taishanese due to Hukou, even though I was born in Guangzhou and speak both Cantonese and Mandarin.
Honestly, in this situation it's likely more performative than an actual feeling people have. It's a good way to acknowledge that someone isn't happy with the impact our country is having on the world.
If you are from China then yes, the CCP is partially your fault.
Americans are embarrassed for how America turned out, because they know they are supposed to have influence over their government.
American liberals would sooner say that the nation is impure than that nationalism is pathological. Many of them literally identify with the state as part of or representative of themselves. Guilt and shame are American rationalisation staples, "I feel bad, but I'm not going to stop."
So for anyone keeping score at home:
This is exactly what OP is talking about. Instead of answering the question with anything even remotely resembling a nuanced take- we have instead, decided to make an uneducated blanket assessment of an entire group of people based on zero evidence and a lack of qualifications to make such an accusation.
For example, I am an American liberal. And everthing they said doesn’t even come close to describing my stance on the issues of nationalism or how I feel about my take on personal political representation.
But one should never let this get in the way of a good ol’ blanket statement! Because nothing says “no need to take anything I say seriously” any louder than this.
Exactly. Well said.
Get this, they responded to me saying that checked my profile- and apparently saw that I somehow equate leftists with liberalism and because of this, I don’t know shit, so they blocked me.
I don’t think I’ve ever put the two in the same bucket.
I saw that. A lot of people out there think they are really smart and also that we care that they think that.
They’re pretty tightly wound tbh
I think it's those who are tricked into thinking their votes are really determining government things who would directly feel at fault for america. Lot's of us know we are nothing more than powerless blobs whose only hope is for WW3 to just happen already so America can be forcibly changed.