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So now we can add “directly capturing a sovereign leader” to the list of crap the US has done. So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something? Think it’ll be significant or something mundane?

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[–] Wigglesworth@retrolemmy.com 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Mother Nature: cracks knuckles "lemme in, coach"

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[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 16 points 2 months ago

We wait it out. It's a collapsing empire, a real war would prolong the collapse, they'res plenty of historical precedent

We're doing our best to speed run it, guys. Maybe make fun of us for healthcare more, it's a real sore spot

[–] trashcroissant@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

I think a workers revolution could do the trick. Get yourselves organized down there and get some heads rolling.

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[–] SippyCup@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do to the US what the US has been doing for 150 years.

Invest heavily in local anti government revolutionist organizations and support their efforts covertly. You know, like Russia and China have already been doing for 30 years.

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[–] BaraCoded@literature.cafe 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Unfortunately, nothing will happen, as nobody has done anything despite the Epstein files, the deportations and externalized concentration camps, the Capitol, the international bullying and racket, etc. Trump serves the interest of the filthy rich, is backed by tech nazies and other kind of moguls (and p3d0s) and commands the most powerful army in the world. His attack on Venezuela is even approved by libs. And even if Trump himself was somehow unalived, the entire system that allowed his rise to power would still be there. The ~~nazies~~ trumpists and parasitic dominant classes would still be there.

Better just declare the American hegemony dead and disengage from any form of partnership with the USA. At least, Trump has the merit of exposing the USA for what they truly are : an alienating, morally bankrupt nation and fascist empire.

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 14 points 2 months ago

If other countries threatened/targeted members of the heritage foundation instead of enlisted soldiers.

It's very easy (for sociopaths) to ignore threats on other people's lives.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

War, either world or civil. Unfortunately I don't see any other way at this point

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

STOP REPRODUCING

There's a reason that leadershit is absolutely pissing their pants about declining fertility rates.

The funny thing is that they'll try to shame us, bribe us, or even force us (e.g. via attacks on abortion rights and contraceptives). But they refuse to meaningfully address the underlying reasons why people are increasingly saying "no thanks, I'm good" regarding becoming parents.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

General strike.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Most of these answers here are not viable because the US has leverage in almost every nation on earth.

Venezuela, Iran, Russia, China, etc are the exception, hence why they are sanctioned (and constantly suffering problems with every new CIA project) bar China which is locked in a trade war and has a sizable military to back themselves up.

You would realistically require a counter world power that offers an alternative to the US system, which used to be the USSR which no longer exists.

China is poised as the next superpower, but they haven't made any significant moves in that regard because they are wary of the USSR's downfall, and have no intention of engaging the USA in that manner (yet).

Everyone in the UN, despite all their cries, will fall in line when threatened, aside from the aforementioned exceptions.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

My take is that US is already on massive decline. I'm not an american but I am a big fan of US and I've never seen US this weak even if you ignore how ugly it is under current leadership. I honestly don't know how US will ever recover from this trump presidency and it seems like nothing but down hill from here. It'll time for geopolitics to catch up with reality but US will never been as strong as it was 10 years ago.

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As an American this is very close to my take. This leadership is weak, they've divided the country in a way in which it will likely never recover from. Global opinions of the US are in the dumpster and it would take decades of goodwill to even begin to shift opinions that the USA is actually "good" again.

The sad reality is this country will never recover to being what it was. I honestly feel like we'd be better off just saying "fuck off, do your own thing then" to the southern portion of the states, but then you'd likely have a nuclear armed failed state within a couple of decades and the evangelicals among them would probably welcome a nuclear Holocaust because they believe they'll be raptured away.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] saimen@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago

More like civil war

[–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Major economic crash or civil war. Or someone whacks Trump, or he croaks. Right now they're trying to speedrun Project 2025 before Trump inevitably keels over.

[–] eightpix@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

None of these things will stop the US. What will is a general strike, a new constitutional convention, and the reconstruction of the nation from the ground up.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Zero shot that a constitutional convention in the near future would be for the better.

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

This is the thing, regarding Venezuela it’s become a bit of a hot topic worldwide now, in that it’s created a controversy not in the way you would expect. See currently a lot of Venezuelans hated that guy and are happy he’s been taken. So it’s a bit hard on how to play that,

Don’t get me wrong, how trump did this and the reasons he did it are entirely greedy but at the same time a lot of terrorized individuals are now seeing him as a hero but still very oblivious to his end game on how he’s going to destroy their home for his gain yet.

From the frying pan into the fire.

he didn’t do it for them. They don’t know that yet.

[–] lando55@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Everything this guy has ever done is transactional in nature, and he's openly admitted the agenda for Venezuela. It's wild how many Venezuelans haven't come to this realization yet.

A lot of Americans hate DJT but if a foreign power abducted him and his wife, superseded the line of succession to assume control, and expressed interest to harvest natural resources, I don't think it'd go over so well.

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[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

The EU, China and other major trading partners (many of which are EU afilliates like Japan) could cripple the US overnight by dumping american bonds and finding new trading partners. This is already happening though in a very slow way designed to minimize damage.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe they can just fuck with US elections online. That wont end in disaster for everyone.

[–] Saprophyte@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (21 children)

Israel, Russia, and China do that in every one of our elections. The problem is that they're always trying to get the most disruptive candidate installed to weaken the US. Legitimate countries always take the stance of "we don't want to get involved with yada yada"

A handful of countries are willing to put Trumps in charge and no one else is willing to stop them or put someone more friendly to the rest of the world in charge. Our elections are influenced on social media by Russia, economically influenced by China, and candidates are paid for by AIPAC and a south African billionaire. Our elections are as much the will of the people as the direction of the wind is, and we have just as much influence over each.

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[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To stop this immediate idiocy, Trump has to have a massive stroke, just enough to debilitate him but necessarily replace him. MAGA isn't going to blindly follow Vance cause he's got zero MAGA charisma. The GOP controlled Congress is going to be stuck between implementing 25A or not, cause if they remove Trump they're committing political suicide.

So the best bet is for a lame duck government as a whole.

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[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Only US citizens can stop the US. We're counting on you guys!

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