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It's quite literally the worst chat app I ever had to use. It can't even handle fucking copy+paste without messing up formatting every single time. Constantly crashes, can't handle notifications across devices, doesn't work properly with even "teams certified" headsets, uses 3 times more resources than any comparable app ... it's fucking bloatware with a chat function.
Fuck Teams and everyone that made it. I hope the get cancer.
A long, long time ago, there was an online messaging tool called ICQ. You didnt even have callsigns in it, you had a randomly generated number you shared with your friends. You chatted. Had fun. Life was good.
Then there was AOL instant messenger. It largely replaced ICQ in the US. It added emoticons.
Then there was MSN Messenger. It tied into the MSN gaming zone(Before MS killed it to make Xbox Live. You could play games with your friends through it. You could do rudimentary video chats.
Then you had Skype(pre-MS. Better video, not tied to MS).
MS makes MSN Messenger into Lynx and adds it to office. Its not good.
Then you had Google Hangouts. Better chat, fun features, tied to your google account.
Then you had MS owned Skype as Skype for Business. Largely replaces Hangouts because Google enshittifies everything, not because it is good.
You also have former Vancouver startup Slack. Its fantastic. Until Salesforce buys it.
Now we have the bastard officespring of Skype for Business: MS Teams.
Lync, not Lynx.
And technically Lync got birthed from the corpse of Office Communicator, not MSN messenger.
Fair, it was over a decade ago that I used it.
Google meet is the only thing I have used that doesn't need a desktop program, I used it over lockdown and got the in-laws to join (both very not technical).
I can't say much for chat, as it was never any good. We used slack for text chat, but that has gone down hill with Salesforce.
Meet was so bad compared to hangouts it drove people to MS Teams
Meet has been the only video/call app I've never had any issues with. If it wasn't owned by Google it'd be great.
When the team I was working with at the time used it, it constantly dropped calls, some people couldn't share their screen sometimes, randomly mics would stop working, it was a bad experience.
Other tech companies — Zoom and Slack — were becoming successful. Microsoft cannot allow that, so they made another terrible product and then had their marketing team start felating incompetent executives.
I love MS Teams.
Long live MS Teams.
That's nothing, Google had almost a dozen different chat apps at different times, some of them simultaneously.
As for
Does it mean Microsoft can keep running any app which necessarily doesn't appear on my task manager?
A lot of background services run as ‘svchost’, which loads the particular library implementing the actual service. Services can be added by applications, from what I understand. They all look the same in the task manager, and also can't be properly selected in a firewall app because again it's the same executable.
This is not to say that Teams specifically uses an svchost service, but they could if they wanted.
Speaking about 'svchost' etc. I won't break my head into it. But on the other hand would love to explore the extension of 'ps' and how it relates what you just told
If you mean PowerShell, it's just text scripts that run sorta like programs. I don't think many scripts are used in Windows or in apps, outside of sysadmin stuff and sometimes app installers, so idk where you're seeing them.
However, PowerShell uses the extension ‘ps1’. ‘ps’ is PostScript, which is a page layout format similar to PDF and in fact the precursor to it.
Neither of these are related to svchost. PowerShell scripts typically run start to end in one go and don't hang out in the background (though in theory they can).
why/how do these guys design a product this way
Its just one of many business applications that MSFT provides as you get vendor locked into the Windows platform.
Technically it was the successor to skype for business, and skype itself was its own product that was acquired by MSFT.
It doesn't matter how crappy it is because MSFT can sell it to you as part of a complete package with stuff like Azure, M365, etc, and you would find it annoying to pay extra for a better platform like Slack.
Does it mean Microsoft can keep running any app which necessarily doesn’t appear on my task manager?
iirc it shouldn't be hidden in task manager but it might be easier to use process explorer from sysinternals: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer
Haven't touched hot garbage windows in a long time so I don't remember if teams has a non obvious process that runs in the background.
It is my work PC, it literally asks me enter password to open task manager. I am not going to explore anything on this PC
Teams and Teams Calling exist because it way past time for hardphones to disappear.
Any organization that does not fully embrace remote employees are stuck in the fucking 1980s.
All collaboration software has issues. Women is wonky as hell, Zooms has just as many issues as Teams and Teams is just as buggy as Webex…
Teams exist because corporations are too cheap to purchase Zoom licenses.