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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/59469059

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[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's all about control of reach.

If I was an influencer and using Patreon (I'm neither), it's a simple decision:

Total reach * conversion rate * platform commission = income

Apple's app store has a fuckton of desirable reach - they monopolize (arguably literally) all the easy payments from iphones and kill anybody else who tries to redirect eyeballs. They are too strong. But what else are you going to do if you need Patreons or app customers, etc?

You can't ignore the reach, and you'd have to pay or work harder to get eyeballs another way too unless you can get free publicity by being crazy or something and pull people into your own payment/ download channels.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You aren't gaining reach by having your current followers gain a payment fee.

It's just something you don't have a say in.

I thought Epic won this lawsuit though.

[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Once they are following, I'd think you can begin to convert them to higher tiers of support through private channels?

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 hours ago

Apple App Store and Google Play stores have a market duopoly. They should be forced to forfeit all or most of its fees.

[–] Evilschnuff@feddit.org 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That’s why we need rules and regulation around gatekeeper platforms like iOS and android. If both demand 30% there is no choice not to pay in certain circumstances.

[–] prex@aussie.zone 2 points 7 hours ago

Cmon EU. Do what you do best.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 19 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck patron. Fuck you Tim Apple. Fuck you both

[–] a_fancy_kiwi@lemmy.world 20 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

What's wrong with Patreon? They advertise a 10% fee. It may be a little more complicated than that but 10% seems pretty reasonable considering the services they offer.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

How is 10% reasonable. They just transfer money from A to B while showing people some static html text about the options. They basically do nothing.

[–] fistac0rpse@fedia.io 11 points 9 hours ago

static HTML text, and all of the posts, and images, and audio that they host. not saying that deserves 10% but saying that they do nothing other than payment processing is disingenuous

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[–] Rekall_Incorporated@piefed.social 9 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

They are an American tech company.

From what I remember, they did try to heavily raise fees and worsen the experience on their platform "my next trillion users ... life changing blah blah .. my ARPU", but then backed off when they got public pushback. They will do it again when they think they can get away with it.

Better to use something like liberapay.

That's what I use to donate to Piefed development and I've been meaning try and pitch this platform to my Patreon list.

[–] a_fancy_kiwi@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Fair enough

[–] dugmeup@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

How greedy is Apple? Talk about insatiable greed!

[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

I'm surprised this wasn't already the case, how did patreon get an exception in the first place? I don't know anything about how apple billing with patreon works but the way this sounds is that patreon's "Legacy Billing" somehow allows creators to get around the 30% fee that is normally standard to anything on apple, and the means to enable/disable this feature is entirely in the hands of individual creators rather than patreon or apple, weird.

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