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If it worked out, the idle Windows 11 RAM usage would’ve been around 4.8GB
Me on beefy Linux distro with a metric ton of garbage installed: 3.2GB
Good luck vibe coding memory efficiency...
16GB RAM. ~3500 packages building up a nightmarish franken-debian of like ~250ish apps. 1.5GB RAM usage on boot. optimisation really does wonders
edit: yes, true story btw
Copilot. Make no mistakes and be efficient with memory usage.
Hahahahahah
You no want 6GB LLM running as a system service???
Our Microslop overlords have said that I do, so I guess I do? I don't know. Hand on. I'm asking Copi--- I mean... I'm thinking...
You could download more RAM by buying Copilot cloud subscription!
Now there's an idea!
Microslop?
Maybe they should make a really new windows version and not a mix from 7,8,10 patched together.. with all the problems carried + AI coding making things worse.
They still haven't been able to replicate functionality in settings compared to control panel. Going from scratch is just gonna get us the rumored win 12 that's only ai
Since NT 4.0 it's just bloat. They never rewrote the whole codebase. It makes sense for backwards compatibility but falls apart when you're installing a driver via 30 years old GUI.
Maybe they should try not writing OS code in react. Perhaps they should consider dedicating as many resources to cleaning up code as they do to adding “features.”
I wish windows went down a different path. Instead they decided to double down on ads and ai, because shareholders are more important than the actual customers
Their real customers don't see the ads with Windows 11 Enterprise and AI is controllable with Intune and GPO. You're not the primary customer.
Suckers keep using it, so what incentive is there for them to deslopify?
I'd personally rather use a Chromebook than Windows.
The thing is that there are real measurements of the market share of windows dropping. The only reason why adoption of w11 overtook w10 user size is because they made w10 end of life (although there are still ways around)
Unfortunately, some business idiot mathed up that losing users is fine as long as the others get forced onto w11
Windows could have done so much differently. More seamless integration with xbox and cross platform for gaming. Different, easily swappable profiles (windows) for different tasks (basically overhauling desktops, like for art, dev work, etc). Optimizing microsofts enterprise software suite without all the bloat. Not deprecating the idea of android support.
But like all big tech companies, they only see money now
Windows could have done so much differently. More seamless integration with xbox and cross platform for gaming. Different, easily swappable profiles (windows) for different tasks (basically overhauling desktops, like for art, dev work, etc). Optimizing microsofts enterprise software suite without all the bloat. Not deprecating the idea of android support.
But like all big tech companies, they only see money now
People like to hate on Ballmer but all of these ideas came out during his time. Since Satya replaced him, Windows has just been getting worse and worse and the focus on their products have been lost to the cloud and AI. Sure the stock price rose but there's nothing exciting about Microslop anymore.
Ironically the install ISO actually went up in size from roughly 5.5GB to 7.5GB in the recent months.
I was about to bring this up. If they just removed all of the slop they implemented in the past 6 months, they could hit that 20% real easy.
All that tracking software is bloated.
Agreed but also have you tried to write a feature with LLMs? It will occasionally just add extra files that do the same thing as one library you already have.
You can even catch it and it will be like oh your right then continue without deleting, so next prompt it decides to use its own library again.
The trick is to tell it what to do and how to do it, not just talk to it like it knows what it’s doing.
People get upset when it can’t complete features based on high level descriptions. They were told it could, after all. “Build be a website that…” However, that will always lead to disaster.
So you go from a legit Developer using their skills refining them day by day to a middle manager who's just checking the work of the AI workers.
This is the direction of things. On one hand, I’m not a full time developer anymore—after 23 years in the industry. On the other hand, I complete projects 100x faster and have more time for my cat.
But you as someone with the experience can spot the issues and problems when using the tool. That's because of years of experience, all these newbies are going to be fucked without that experience.
Agreed 100%. There is going to be a problem in the future where people like me are, well, dead. And junior developers never got the hands on experience to learn what I (should) know after so many years.
But, for now, I have to eat. And I no longer care to give my mental health to a project I am not getting an equal share of. So, I am very much enjoying what I can get done.
Humorously, even with near-unlimited power at my fingertips, I still struggle to find any personal projects worth doing. I’ve made a few arcade style phone games and some desktop apps for myself, which are all very nice. But AI cannot write a compelling game story, or design consistent artwork without significant head banging. Sure it can get the ball rolling, but there is always something hollow about it.
All at a time where I think I’m actually going to switch to Linux.
I just tried out an install on my laptop and boy does it work well even for gaming.
Windows has, nothing I actually need any more?
It feels really big to really leave Windows for good, but, I think it’s going to happen after a bit more testing of my Linux setup.
Linux has some retarded behaviors, but it got so much better in the last 5 years, that decent distros like Fedora KDE are getting good enough as replacement
If it worked out, the idle Windows 11 RAM usage would’ve been around 4.8GB
That's still a lot
Last time I booted up Windows 10 it was using around 2.4GB at idle
So Windows 12's RAM requirement is on track to being almost 10GB unless they cut it back by 20%?
Considering 8GB systems are back in vogue, that's a fuckload. More than half your ram just going to the computer existing.
Well no, its doing more than just existing, its sending screen shots of your screen to Microsoft, displaying ads, updating advertising ID to allow them to track you across the web, uploading your typing history It all helps shareholders of microslop.
Just tell your AI agents to reduce the RAM usage and install size by 20% and let them rip. How hard can it be?
