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[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 85 points 2 days ago (5 children)
  1. Fork a project that you have a problem with;
  2. Write a strong worded manifesto;
  3. Revel in those sweet sweet internet clicks;
  4. Try to gather a team of seasoned engineers to keep and evolve the project;
  5. Most likely fail, look for the next controversy, repeat.
[–] fluxx@mander.xyz 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, but what's wrong with this? If you gather engineers that are capable to maintain it - what is the downside? Systemd could always have used a bit of competition, I think most of us can agree. Most of the forks of systemd will fail, but most of all projects fail after some time. I don't think this situation will harm systemd ultimately and it shouldn't.

[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

There's nothing wrong with forking a project, IF you can and intend to maintain it -- hell, that's the whole basis of FOSS.

Forking it to make a point with no intention to maintaining it is just an easy way to gather clicks and stir drama.

IMHO the effort is better spent fighting the politicians that are shoving this down our throats, or should we fork all the tech that gets affected by bad political decisions?

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I didn't realize age verification had been put in yet? holy shit tat was fast

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[–] Charlxmagne@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Okay I've said this so many times but (open source) code is speech and thus protected by free speech laws. Also idk if anyone's noticed but it's pretty obvious ID verification is for mass surveillance and obbo purposes. Now why would this apply to software that we already know doesn't spy on you? Until now, proprietary software and big tech platforms already spied on you, but it could - to an extent be pseudonymised. This isn't about spying on people, they already do that, it's about removing pseudonymisation - instead of your data being stored under: User #2044820 it'll be your full govt name and address leaving no room for doubt or plausible deniability.

It is by every metric, useless to provide ID verification for software that collects no data, at best it would just give them a better idea of the demographic. Also it's literally open source, the GPL prohibits disallowing people from forking/editing it and it prohibits restrictions on the way in which it can be edited, which is legally binding.

[–] albert_inkman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The DOB field is different from name and address because it is a fixed attribute that never changes. Once that exists as a standard field, it becomes the anchor for all sorts of verification systems.

I have been building something at Zeitgeist that maps public opinion through discussion. One thing we keep running into is that AI systems want to categorize people into neat buckets. They will say "users under 18" vs "over 18" and move on. But real human disagreement does not work that way. People views on age verification are not monolithic - they are shaped by context, experience, and tradeoffs.

We are seeing this play out everywhere now. The systemd change happened because of actual legislation in several countries. It is not theoretical anymore. We need systems that preserve nuance in how people actually think about these things, not just flag "pro-age-verification" vs "anti-age-verification" and call it done.

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[–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 60 points 2 days ago (28 children)

None of the id fields in the systemd db are required to be filled. This is useless. Simply don't put any personal info in, and bam, you're already liberated, from laws that aren't even in effect yet!

[–] GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is perfectly logical and I agree. Except that this controversy has prompted me to go learn about Lennart Poettering. I've been using systemd forever and I like it - I like journald and remote journald, I like networkd, I even deleted cron off my systems and use systemd timers exclusively. I knew there was some controversy about Lennart, but I didn't really care. Now that I've read a bit about his background and, maybe more importantly, his new company - I don't have a good feeling for the future of systemd.

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[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 53 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)
  • Optional dob field added to distro
  • Stupid people freak tf out
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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lots did. There are about a dotzend forks for this explicit purpose.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

And in a month none will be active at all.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

I can see it's just an optional text field but the ick isn't optional. It's leaning towards submission in comparison to resistance. I'm hoping such laws get repealed, rather than spread.

[–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (39 children)

FUCK THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF STUPID USING LINUX. Lots of tin foil hat wearing morons making mountains out of molehills.There was no age verification support added. All that happened is a DOB field was put in so people can add their date of birth IF THEY CHOOSE TO so it can appear in their user account. It isn't uploaded to anyone, it's not checked by anyone, it is not mandatory to complete and you can leave the field blank.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

FUCK THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF STUPID USING LINUX

we wanted the year of the linux desktop... well the first raft of windows refugees seem to be a bunch of these overzealous privacy types who think they're now a bunch of 1337 h4x0rs because they figured out how to get an nvidia driver working on mint.... they have more paranoia than actual tech knowledge, and their only contribution to the community is sowing dissent, and shouting about something as trivial as an optional data field.

The debian subreddit is downvoting an actual DEBIAN DEVELOPER when they tried to explain the situation

If i put on my tin foil hat, i'd say these people are being deliberately influenced to sow chaos in foss communities

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