This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
I remember when reddit first got popular and the demise of Digg
I feel like we're watching the demise or reddit now
The place is nothing but bots, they allow loser power tripping mods to ban you willy nilly with basically no appeal process. And now they're gonna give you up to the govt
I'm sure shareholders are super stoked right now
A'right, this is disgusting, but it's really not Reddit's fault if a Grand Jury requests evidence.
spoiler
___Especially because the Grand Jury hasn't even requested anything yet, I guess?
Today is a good day to use Lemmy.
They can't fucking WAIT until this ID verification goes through. Literally frothing at the mouth for it.
I don't get it. Once ID checks are here, do they think people will keep expressing these kinds of opinions publicly? Oh course not, they're just going to keep going further underground online or find offline ways, do they really think we'll just keep posting incriminating stuff with our real name attached?
The oppression is the goal. They want you to tell 10 people locally, not 10 million worldwide.
Yeah but the 10 locals are the ones that might actually end up doing something instead of shouting into the digital void.
Once again, just in case no one heard, FUCK ICE
nice I like this..... a lot
Actual title:
A Secret Grand Jury Is Seeking the Identity of a Reddit User Who Criticized ICE
It's completely unclear what illegal thing the user is supposed to have done, other than dislike ICE.
Good god the title is very misleading. The grand jury hearing isn't until April 14. It's still chilling that the administration will go to these lengths to apparently silence criticism, but I'm not convinced there is more to this story. Although the reddit user in question is enlisting a civil liberties group to represent him, I'm thinking he/she may not be a terrorist mastermind who is a danger to the American people.
So, the rule is very old already, actually: You can't criticize ICE on Reddit if you're an American citizen, because of this. And you can't criticize ICE, Israel, Trump and etc. on Reddit even if you're are not the USA citizen - because of bans on platform.
i heard its a "secret grand jury" whatever that means, probably chosen only jurors that would vote in thier favors, aka literally choosing biased jurors. since reddit is half or more as bots, it will be funny if they only found its a bot from another country. i have a hunch that reddit does not reveal thier bot activities, or how they are allowing them.
You must not remember the 944 Russian bot accounts from the 2016 election. Some of the accounts have been cleaned but they actually documented some bot activity pretty well.
ah pedonald trying to scare people. fuck him with a retractable baton.
The masses are fucking morons and a threat to anyone trying to actually improve anything. Don't hold your breath for them to abandon their dopamine dispensers.
This is a reminder to everyone. If you or someone you know is still on Reddit. Use an extension to bulk deleted everything before deleting the account. You're friends and family are not safe posting on reddit.
Ya. I just got a 7 day ban for telling people to go and train with their guns at shooting ranges just to get used to using them before the civil war starts.
I am no fan of reddit but in this case Reddit appears to have championed this users anonymity going so far as to actively draw the ire of the administration.
You’re not wrong that you’re not safe posting on Reddit, but if this case is any indication you’re not any less safe posting in Reddit than any other site, including Lemmy.
You’re not wrong that you’re not safe posting on Reddit, but if this case is any indication you’re not any less safe posting in Reddit than any other site, including Lemmy.
You can choose the location (and thus legal jurisdiction) of your home instance, but yeah, in general, I think that people need to be aware that server operators on the Threadiverse are probably not going to fight legal battles on your behalf.
We had someone ask about turning over IP addresses to law enforcement a while back on lemmy.today. The lemmy.today server admin gave what I'd call probably a pretty accurate answer.
https://lemmy.today/post/7255213
How will Lemmy Today handle IP subpoenas?
Lemmy instances are run by volunteers who wants to see a social media network without big tech.
I dont think you can trust any of those volunteers, including this one, to not comply with law enforcement. Thats not why we are running instances. Its about providing a platform without tracking, ads and algorithms for talking to other people and having a good time.
Hope that makes sense.
Use a VPN if you have a reason to. :)
It linked to a similar question for lemmy.dbzer0.com:
How will dbzer0 handle IP subpoenas?
Don’t know man. I’m not making enough in donations to pay for the server costs, never mind hiring lawyers. I’ll deal with this when I have to 😅
There are platforms more-aimed at providing harder pseudonymity. I'd put Hyphanet fairly high on the list of "a pain in the ass to track a poster down due to technical barriers" list (though that comes with very real performance and latency and suchlike costs).
Why should the instance care about my ip? Why would they log it? Idem emails. Why tf do you care? We need a privacy preserving/enhancing server.
To answer for Quokk.au. If I had to, I’d delete the instance and all data before ever handing anything over. They can take me to court if need be.
If you’re subpoenaed and a request for discovery is not met because you destroyed evidence, that comes with severe penalties. In court, you’d have to prove that you didn’t intentionally destroy data. You’ll have to find an attorney that can protect you against a government or powerful corporation.
Depending on the country and jurisdiction, intentional spoliation of data will lead to harsh penalties, criminal charges, expensive financial restitution, and jail time. Would you want to serve multiple years in jail and pay tens of thousands (or much more) in fines just to protect the data on your server? Would you want criminal charges and job loss, and the incredible difficulty of finding employment again when you get out of jail? Permanent criminal charges on your record for the rest of your life?
If yes, you’re very, very brave. Most other server owners would just comply. They’re already struggling to pay their bills, including serving Lemmy. Must be expensive trying to get legal representation when they’re ordered to turn over data.
I run an instance filled with trans people and anarchists, I would risk a lot to protect them from the state.
Big props to you! Thank you for defendeing their rights.
Props to you, homie. I didn’t personally know about your instance, so your character is courageous and exemplary. I’d like to think my values are aligned with yours as I’ll stand up for trans people, too.
While the likelihood of being served a subpoena to turn over your data is slim, just be careful. Remember - even if someone else wrote it, it’s YOUR data. If you already don’t have a great moderation team on your server, make sure to set ground rules and stamp out calls to violence and other things that would get someone in loads of trouble. The state won’t target an online community, but persons making active threats to the state (e.g., a call for assassination of a public figure, organising violence and harm, etc.) will get you in loads of trouble.
If I was on your server and some dipshit was threatening assassinating a politician or organising a hit, you got served a subpoena, and you were getting ready to delete your instance, I’d jump in and request you to stop. I don’t think it’d be worth nuking the whole community and all the data so you get punished on behalf of that one dipshit. Don’t think it’d be worth having your life destroyed because one edgelord thinks it’s great to say stuff like that online without reprisal, in our state-sponsored surveillance system.
Edit: on mobile so fixed a bunch of typos
Edit 2: On turning over data. In the discovery phase of litigation, they’re legally obligated to cull the request for information to what is relevant and in-scope. In my above example, the courts want the IP address and other identifiers of the dipshit that called for the assassination of a public figure. You’d only have to turn over the data for that one person, NOT everyone on your server. Just to put the facts out there.
The most absurd part of this is their inability to dox someone for a month. Give a handful of bored nerds any motivation and they'd have it figured out in a day or two.
Be grateful they are incompetent.
The Reddit hivemind is a bit like AI, now that I think about it.
They'll give you a confident, reasonable sounding answer. Any accuracy will be completely accidental.
Well you see, most of reddit bots/comments are AI generated. it comes from 2 camps, 1 from propaganda, and the other (reddit targets with thier own AI moderation) the OF/ link /business droppers/ads that are warming up thier accoutns with random comments(in non-propaganda way) or posting it.
They've had difficulty convincing grand juries to indict in other sketchy cases. I have to wonder what super secret group of totally-not-ICE-officials this was approved by.
It hasn’t been approved yet - the title is misleading. The US has requested Reddit appear for a grand jury hearing by April 14.
