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Reagan through the 90s was the period where things visibly degraded to a joke of what the country once was. 9/11 was at once a direct symptom of our own fuckery over the preceding decades, as well as the final nail in the coffin that pushed large sections of our political landscape towards fascism. It was nascent for a while, but everything became fairly overt in 2016.

[–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 hour ago

Assuming it was great at some point and people were trying, I would argue at the point when propaganda progressed far enough that enough people thought it was already great. You stop trying when you think you reached the goal. To this day no politician can afford suggesting otherwise unless it's to make it "great again" I guess.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Around the time that we decided to subjugate the natives, steal their land, and bring in slaves. America has only been the land of the free for rich whites.

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social 2 points 1 hour ago

Damn, that's perfectly correct, but... I was anticipating a bit of white-washing??

Natives, always...... please leave us alone?

[–] chocrates@piefed.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Agreed.

America was a major war profiteer off of ww2 And we rode that high for a long time.

America has never been "good" or moral.

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social 3 points 1 hour ago

America has never been “good” or moral.

Super-important major realisation.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago

Frankly, day one. The idea that America was ever an example to the rest of the world is American revisionism. If you actually look at American history you'll see the current American administration is very in line with the way we've always been.

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 hours ago

The US was built on a foundation of genocide and slave ownership. It was never great.

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 hours ago

in a reversal of the question, op, when do you think the US was great and why?

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 0 points 52 minutes ago

When in time did America gave up trying to be great?

what ? propaganda 101 I guess

In saying that, I'm an Australian I went to America in 1994 thinking that, lived there for a year "went what the actual fuck", left and never went back.

[–] msokiovt@lemmy.today -1 points 56 minutes ago

They actually never were. It was always an empire since 1776, at the hands of the Vatican.