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It’s Surprisingly Easy to Live Without an Amazon Prime Subscription (slate.com)

submitted 2 years ago by AnActOfCreation@programming.dev to c/technology@lemmy.world

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The author canceled their Amazon Prime subscription on a whim and realized they didn't really need it.
Leaving Prime meant slower shipping but the author was happy to wait and still found the selection and delivery speed satisfactory.
Many people love Prime for its fast shipping and convenience, but some readers expressed ambivalence and considered canceling.

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[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You're kidding right? Are there actually people thinking they just can't live without Amazon Prime? Seriously? Fuck even if you HAVE to order something off of Amazon, which you absolutely don't HAVE to do, you don't fuckin need prime just for... what... slightly faster shipping?

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 1 points 10 months ago

how does the author find it surprising in the slightest that it's easy to live without...

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Free shipping, but at that point you should question why you are buying so much from amazon in the first place

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's the Walmart problem. People buy from Amazon because they can't afford some necessities at MSRP when going to a local store.

Some of the stuff I can get in bulk on Amazon are as much as 50% cheaper than getting those same things in bulk from a restaurant supply (which is cheaper than buying them at a grocery store). And that's before Subscribe&Save's 15% off. Coffee (for example) costs would drive me into the poor house if I didn't get my beans from Amazon... and I end up getting higher quality beans than my grocery store at that lower price.

Do I NEED coffee to live? No. But it's not exactly a luxury in the modern world, and beans are much cheaper than going to Dunkin. There are things I buy that I need; there are things that I buy that I want. And as much as I hate it, most of them are not available locally or are FAR more expensive locally. I never go to Amazon first, but I very often find myself landing at Amazon last.

And yes, that doesn't justify Prime on its own. But because I have Prime, I get those things that I couldn't find cheaper elsewhere the very next day. Prime will never be necessary when there's free shipping options, but boy have they packed it out with more features than (for example) Walmart's subscription model.

Here's what I get with Prime that I appreciate:

Free games every month, some of which are pretty awesome
that fast shipping
A fairly average TV service with a few of the best exclusives out there (imo THE best but I'm a WoT-head).
Tons of included books and I live in a family of readers

I mean, a lot of it I could get on the High Seas as it were, but it's the law of convenience. They make it easy and there's a value prop there for me.

If I JUST wanted free shipping, Prime would be a complete waste of money to me. But I'd still end up giving Amazon my damn paycheck because the alternatives are just not there where I live.

[+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

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[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The games are on their app (nope, thanks) or epic (no thanks).

Their app is surpisingly fair. No inherent DRM, just click "download" and it downloads. Epic... well, I have 100+ games I got for free, so I have it anyway. I probably have a $1000 collection of "free" games on Epic at this point.

The tv stuff is the worst I’ve seen back when i actually paid for my series/movies

With all the subscription services, I think that's the rule. If you like what they have, you love it. If not, you go elsewhere. At least Prime is cheaper than some of them, but at the end of the day it's about the stuff you enjoy.

For me, it's WoT, Reacher, Good Omens on top, along with a few of their FreeVee partnership shows. But I have to respect they also have The Boys, which I've been meaning to get into.

I mean, to me they beat Apple+ and Hulu, lose to Disney+ and Netflix. At $11/mo, I get all those things along with the expedited shipping and the books. Convenient, but also not overpriced.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

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[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

But i doubt it just downloads and that’s it. No tracking? No phoning home? No play-statistics? Hmm

I can't be positive. I've never run any network traces on it. But it doesn't have any of the hallmarks of service DRMs. No "connecting" popup or login prompt. I've played Amazon-downloaded games offline. If there's a hidden DRM, it's more-or-less obscured.

Let's be honest, though. Amazon gives the games away for free in an app that will never be used to sell products; and they do it as a bullet-point for Prime and to nudge people towards Luna. It's obviously the games they get for free that they give away. I see no reason for them to do more work than they have to, plugging in a DRM.

But i never heard of anyone actually using the app instead of maybe even playing one of those freebies and then quitting the app again 😁

It's hard to remember what games I got through Amazon vs Epic, but I clearly remember a few times I was excited about an Amazon Games offering added an Epic game.

In Amazon Games natively, my happy games are Autonauts, Terraformers, Close to the Sun (recently), and a few of those short adventure games I completed that nobody wants to spend $20 on but everyone loves to play.

I tried watching like 3 things. And one i could rent, the others pay extra and i was like “wtf? This is prime? Fuckit”

Their rent thing sucks, but I *never *see rentals in front of me when I use Prime Video on my TV. I named 3 of their big exclusives, but there's plenty more either exclusive or just licensed. It's never the most awesome shows of any service, but I could still find a few hours per day of video if I tried.

It just sucks that you’d need like 5 services and still can’t watch EVERYTHING

Yeah, I'm with you 5000% on that. That's where Gabe Newall is right. I'd probably be willing to drop drop $100/mo or more on a service if it had EVERYTHING on-demand, convenient, with no DRM of any kind. And I'd never once think to download-and-unsub or distribute or anything.

...as for your experience, I say wave that damn Jolly Roger. Gimme convenience or give me death. I pay because things are convenient for me. If it wasn't, I probably wouldn't be paying either.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

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[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

a game i actually played on epic.

Here's a few of mine (not sure if any come from Amazon): Control (this was awesome!), shapez (almost bought it, then it was in my inbox), loop hero, Guardians of the Galaxy (Christmas free games), Outer Worlds (ditto), Evil WIthin 1 and 2, most of the fallout games, Death Stranding, Gloomhaven... I'm only on page 5 of 20 lol. Only 1 out of 5 of their free games are any good, but between big giveaways and the like, that's still ~15 good free games a year lol. So needless to say, Epic is always installed on my computer.

It just never occurred as a prime (no pun intended) reason to pay… Errr… Prime

Perhaps THE problem with Prime right now is that none of their services except maybe TV is worth $11/mo on its own. Their free games aren't Humble Monthly, but HM is just games. Their TV isn't Netflix, but it's $4/mo cheaper. You can get free shipping without Prime now (that wasn't true before), but next day is phenomenal. As for books, there's not really any replacement I know of. It's not perfect (has this annoying thing about having books 2 on in some series, without book 1), but if you read a book a month, it pays for itself.

Warez were never convenient. Just “free”. Yet, with a tiny amount of “work”

For sure. It's always been a baseline of convenience. I remember the old days of curating my mp3 collection every 6 months, removing dupes and fixing organizational shifting. But if I do that stuff for apps, I have to maintain freaking sandbox environments for each app, make sure my computer is backed up in case I have to wipe it, make sure nothing auto-logins so a remote attack doesn't happen, etc. About 1 in 2 cracked apps show up as a virus and you can never know whether it's a false positive, so you have to use a computer condom and then STILL get tested.

Dishing out 100 bucks would need a lot of benefits to convince me. Though i get you. Trading money for tinkering-time. All depends on our preference and skill and nerdiness 😂

I'm in an ok place right now. And Amazon is still the cheapest place to buy anything, for me. If I spend over $1000/yr there on everything, a lot more if you count the holidays, then Prime has already justified itself. And slower or not, Amazon with Prime is STILL the fastest Christmas shipper.

Anecdote... We bought Ring cameras from the Ring site for a family member in November. By mid-December, they still hadn't shipped because Christmas orders were so backlogged. So we bought them again on Amazon and they were on our doorstep 2 days later, just a couple days before Christmas. Was it next day? No. Was it worth it? YEAH.

Then we had to fight with Ring for 2 weeks because they wouldn't cancel the order. We got the Cameras the 2nd week of January and my wife was on the phone with them 6 or 7 times before they finally approved a return. Amazon has this thing called "Free Returns" on most items. You can literally write in "I was drunk shopping" for your return reason and nobody bats an eyelash.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

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[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've used playnite a few times. I always forget about it for some reason or another. Gog has a built-in tool like playnite and I fail to use that, too.

Still do that. For over 25yrs I nourish my library. Just the MP3s made room for FLACs.

I still have it somewhere I'm sure, but I really gave up on it, for the convenience of youtube music of all things. Literally every song I ever had including a couple super-obscure albums I'd lost. And it's SO convenient. It just works for me everywhere I want it.

Yeah ok, I get that. I’ve got 2 servers running 24/7 with proxmox/hyper-v, so those tools all run in seperate VMs. But especially in this case, it’s practically no maintenance

Every time I mean to start setting up servers, some reason (or my wife) talk me out of it. I'm jealous. It's on my bucket list. I'm the only guy I know who has run server clusters professionally who has never had his own.

I must say that i’m in the warez-scene since the early 90s and I never had a virus-problem.

I have had a couple over the years; usually use the "nuke and restart" solution. Only one was REALLY major and I was never sure whether it was software or a dumb family member. My password-protected screenshare app went live one day and started buying Chinese gift cards with a clearly automated script. Thank god someone was in the office when it happened and they only got through a couple hundred dollars before we pulled the plug and called our bank.

You won’t see that elsewhere here. No way. First you gotta prove it wasn’t YOU that broke it at home. I could on for hours…

I know resellers hate Amazon returns, but they agree to them. I will literally make buying decisions based on the presence or lack of the "Free Returns" flag. I would literally pay for "return insurance" if AllState started to do that, too. I hate return hassles.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

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[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

. I use MediaMonkey since v0.1

I think that's one of the ones I tried. It's just more convenient to have unlimited access to music, whether I own it or not.

as she runs into walls now when the system is down because there is no light.

What do you do for lights? Like motion/position detection into each room? Or voice control?

I've wanted to get into automation several times, and I'm never settled enough in a house to spend the money. There's always some reason we want to move and I don't want to do all that permanent work to move. I even worked at an IoT company for a few years on backend and embedded code, so I have literally no excuse...

At least we have that mandatory 14-days-return-policy.

Not sure where that is. That would be nice (except that they could reduce the cashback anyway). Consumer Protections these days have been eroding in the US. Even our so-called consumer protection laws have landmines to protect the businesses.

[–] hughesdikus@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I thought this meant the writer is forgoing Amazon as a service completely.

Cause that would be something worth reading. Not these first world problems ffs

[–] DingoBilly@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The crap people write nowadays.

It's surprisingly easy to live without any subscription. I don't have any. If you're tech savvy you can either block most ads that subscriptions give you, or bypass the service entirely and get free premium or just dl videos/music etc.

And as the services get worse there's little incentive to actually keep a subscription. Netflix is becoming pretty dogshit for example.

[–] BustinJiber@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Is it really 140 USD annually in US? Here in EU it's about equivalent of 12 dollars yearly... What is that?