In some places the nice beaches have been privatised by local hotels or clubs so you gotta pay them to sit on the beach or go sit somewhere less nice. Coming from Western Australia where we have the nicest beaches in the world (all free), I take this concept of "owning beach space" as a personal affront.
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They don't even have to be privatized. Some municipalities in the US require a "beach tag". I lived on a barrier island growing up, and we had to buy ours every year, or go to the beach two towns over where it was free (...except where it was privatized).
looking at you greece ಠ_ಠ
but seriously.. it's hard to eek out an existence in sydney... everything is so fucking expensive.
but peddle to the beach and read a book, it's free and the best thing in town.
What ?
If I am not laying on private property or in the entrance of a shop or something I can lay around whereever I want. I don't really understand what OP is talking about.
In some areas, almost everything is private property. Including sidewalks, parks, beaches...
I was in a city that only had one green area that was publicly accessible. The was signs that you weren't allowed to be on the grass, only the paths. So you could pretty much only walk through. Even just standing, you'd be in the way.
I get that the property owner sets the rules, but if everything is private, it gets hard to exist.
And that's why I'm placing you under arrest.
I disagree with the initial claim.
I can go sit just about anywhere without concern of being cited for loitering.
Not sure where you get this idea from.
Are you white?
TBF they might just not live in America. Never really seen "loitering" being a thing outside of that mistake of a country, or at least I haven't seen it enforced and I've been everywhere in Western Europe (where one would assume these things are more enforced since they're culturally closer, idk).
Yes its an american thing. I can sit where I want in my country, unless its blocking some entrance or something.
Its because in America, you are not a human being. Someone should have informed you.
Another thing ive seen in American movies - people are not allowed to park and sleep in their cars it seems. There is always some officer walking up and knocking on their window and telling them they cant be there. Seems to be another sign of America.
Yep, a lot of it is hostility to unhoused people, based on the myth that "they are all 'psychotic drunk drug addicts' that are horrible people", hence why people believe they are (and deserve to be) unhoused. It's why hostile architecture is so common and ingrained in the US.
Also, Racism of course.
It makes sense from the American culture point of view, that someone who makes money is a winner and someone who doesnt is a loser. Its a view of people that is pretty evil.
No, I'm rural in liberal territory.
I cannot think of a single place within 20 miles in any direction that is not indoors nor private property that any human being cannot be more or less indefinitely.
You can't camp within like 250 ft vertical of the treeline. That's off limits for protecting the environment reasons.
If you're pulled over in a car I the side of the road, a state trooper may come to see if you're ok. Our states troopers got a much better rep than our cops, and our cops don't do too bad comparatively.
Acab, but know your enemy. It ain't the outdoors.
You're in New England aren't you? BTW if this ends up being true, I actually didn't stalk your profile to see. I am originally from MA and one of my favorite things about NE, and specifically MA, is that even the most rural spaces have pride flags and very progressive. It's actually the suburban sprawl areas that are more purple, but not enough to turn any part of the stage red.
I fucking love the Berkshires and some day I am moving out there, that's a promise I will keep to myself no matter how chaotic life gets, obviously so long as I am able to control it (eg, not drafted, don't have to flee the nation, am not abducted by the modern S.A (ICE), etc)
My family is all over northern NY, and New England, Some PA and WV as well. Even the conservative pockets here are good between authority and your right to exist outdoors.
I just wish the neolib gun laws weren't so insane. They know it's treating a fever when the person is dying from sepsis, and they know capitalism and hyper-individualism is the disease, but these politicians make SOO much money off the system. They also know they can ausage the fears of NIMBYs and suburban white libs with some simple platitudes, get reelected, and continue making bank.
BTW, I'm not advocating for handing every person who walks into a shop a gun immediately, but as a leftist, I am against disarming the working class.
I assumed they're Canadian based on liberal territory. However that doesn't narrow it down much, looks like most of the territories vote red.
I was thinking New England too. I grew up in maine and there are very few places you’re banned from loitering. The cops, while still being fascist dirtbags, aren’t as bad as in more populous states.
LOVE Maine!! I need to visit Arcadia some time. I remember the first time I saw a full grown, wild moose was in Maine along a highway, we were pretty far north (probably about halfway up the state latitude wise), and she was HUGE. She had her fowl with her, and the baby was still the size of a freaking great dane.
In Canada, a very old arrangement dating from the creation of the country, says that navigable water is a federal matter. Whether it's on the side of the ocean, a big lake, or a river, the water and anything below high tide is Crown "land", and public. There are obviously exceptions and access by land can be controlled but not by water. At least not the beach itself.
It leads to weird situations, like a provincial park that can't stop boaters from using remote parts of "their" beach. Or another where boats band together between some islands, and party and jetboat among kayaks and SUP.
But this also prevents owners of big houses around lakes to claim a part of that lake, or the foreshore.
We don't have the right to roam in general here, with some exceptions for Crown lands, and it happens that bodies of water and rivers is Crown land.
Anyway, that's how I understand this.
More of this country is crownlands than privately owned lands. Except for the National or Provincial Parks you can roam free without registration. There is no cell signal when you head out there, you need a sat phone or one way emergency beacon.
This is a big city problem. In smaller cities you typically have very few places you can't loiter.
Blm land? National forest? Can lay around for 14 days straight.
The land billionaires are salivating to carve up, log and develop? That land?
EDIT: I realized that this comment seems a little to pessimistic and doomer. I didn't mean it to sound like we should just roll over and accept that these beautiful areas are taken from us and others. We absolutely need to fight back, and you'd be surprised, that even most conservatives (save for the ultra-MAGA people) actually care about this land too and are deeply against it being privatized.
Now... Does that also say something about them caring less about POC than land, yes. But this is one of those issues you really don't have to push very hard to get people to care about. Even if they're not annual park visitors, a very large chunk of citizens in the US seem to care about this.
Black Lives Matter land?
It's actually BURNlNG MAN land with a typo'd lowercase L that's gonna unnoticed but it's too late to change the records now.
(burning Man is on BLM land and happens to also be where the land speed record is currently held - salt lake city salt flats weren't big enough, apparently)
For the fellow east-of-the-mississippi and not-US folks. The US Bureau of Land Management (BLM) operates public lands with fairly loose rules about use, including camping up to 14 days.