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Online threats to children are real, but the headlong pursuit of age verification that we’re seeing around the world is unacceptable in its approach and far too broad in scope — and we simply can’t afford to get this wrong.

To be clear, parents’ concerns are valid and sincere. Few people would argue that kids should have unfettered access to adult material, to self-harm how-tos, to social media platforms that manipulate them and expose them to abuse.

But it’s the very depth of those worries that is being cynically exploited. Age verification as is currently being proposed in country after country would mean the death of anonymity online.

And we know exactly who stands to gain: The same tech giants who built the privacy nightmare that the internet is today.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 30 points 7 hours ago (8 children)

Clearly this man is a genius.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 18 points 7 hours ago

Anyone who could not see that Trump was going to extort business for his own personal gain was clueless to Trump and his cabinet of blackmailers.

Anyone of color giving support to White Nationalists is fucking insane and shows a complete lack of understanding of current US politics.

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[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 19 points 7 hours ago (7 children)

This whole conversation is such a false dichotomy. The laws can absolutely be written such that companies are required to suspend service to any suspected child without requiring ID to use the service.

But just like pollution and everything else we've let them push the buck to us.

The problem is that politicians don't want to legislate enforcement/oversight entities as those would piss off their owners.

Democracies need to replace their lame duck politicians with ones that aren't bought and owned by the shareholder class who also own the social media corporations.

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[–] ReCursing@feddit.uk 87 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

He has a vested interest in saying that, but he's right, and it would be awful

[–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Proton has activists' identities at stake, of course they're doing their best to defend them

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

They have to comply with court orders. You can't run a business and ignore the government and legal system; they will throw the book at you.

Don't use proton to do anything that could be considered a crime in the EU.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

This sounds like something you should take up with Proton's marketing: "Outside of US and EU jurisdiction"

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Which is both correct, but makes them still subject to swiss law, and swiss law enforcement will comply with foreign requests - although it took some serious misrepresenting by the French by citing terrorism laws to get the swiss courts to sign the warrant, forcing proton to log the next IP the user used to log in. Had the user used protons own VPN or TOR to login, the resulting data would have been useless.

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[–] AverageEarthling@feddit.online 40 points 9 hours ago (9 children)

I mean, I've got boxes full of physical books and self hosted movies and Tv. At that point, I'll just stop using the internet. I need to go outside more anyway.

[–] zewm@lemmy.world 31 points 8 hours ago (13 children)

Finally all my friends that been giving me shit about having a dvd collection can eat shit.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 17 points 8 hours ago

The next step will be to make more essential services online only, so people have to use the internet.

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[–] MortUS@lemmy.world -2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

Nobody has better solutions to fight against botnets and targeted misinformation. Like, these are big deals that every Nation needs account for some way some how. A non-anonymous internet for the masses, and anonymous internet for those who know how to get around it should be the standard.

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[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I'd argue that most things that are currently in the crosshairs for exclusion under age verification are also harmful to at least a third of the adult population and to society in general.

Actually maybe that's just for profit algorithm based social media and / or mass scale surveillance and personal information gathering and advertising.

The point being, if you're going to make a case for something being harmful to kids, you need to also make a case for it's being OK for adults or maybe it just needs banning outright for the good of society, see also smoking. Personally I'm in favor of leaving this in the hands of the individual and parents, and perhaps making easy tools for less technically adept parents to use.

TLDR: If Facebook is bad for kids, why isn't it bad for adults?

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 23 points 9 hours ago

That's quite obviously the end goal here.

[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 22 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

Can we make a new internet?

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 27 points 9 hours ago (7 children)

Yes, have a look at reticulum. No centralized addressing authority. No centralized domain naming system. Everything is globally routeable. It also just got support for transferring HTTP with RServer and MeshBrowser.

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