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https://broughttolight.ucsf.edu/2013/12/03/stones-synchrotron/

This compelling photograph (which, despite appearances, is not a scene from a sci-fi movie) depicts Dr. Robert Stone with the machine he created, the 70MeV electron synchroton. The synchrotron was a type of particle accelerator used to treat cancer patients with radiation from 1956 to 1964. Stone’s work contributed greatly to the safe clinical use of radiation.

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[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 1 points 5 days ago

sort of shit they throw in the Fallout intro video with zero context

[–] hotspur@hexbear.net 1 points 5 days ago

This kinda nails something that I feel like a lot of speculative media get wrong. I remember watching terminator salvation (random anecdote) and being sort of annoyed that the terminator factory still had regular doors, control panels, all of the stuff needed for human workers. It should have been more like a “dark factory”, I guess I could hand wave it that they were reusing an older space or whatever, but basically the insistence on this alien/powerful thing that was still oriented around purely human scale design.

This object kinda breaks that, and suggests a vaster, non-human oriented purpose (even though, in this case it’s exactly the opposite). Basically just dig the aesthetic/scale. If you weren’t already terrified of your cancer diagnosis, this thing would certainly finish the job of asking you feel small and insignificant…

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Very cool photo!

~~I'm not certain, but I think this is actually a port out of the synchrotron and not the accelerator itself, which I think is a much larger building behind that wall~~ (wrong, it really was very small and fit inside that thing). Synchrotrons accelerate the electrons in a loop, where every time they go around a corner they emit x-rays, which are what comes out of that structure in the photograph. Today they run at about 40-80x higher energy than that one (2.5 to 7 giga electron volts) and are a few hundred metres to a kilometer or two in circumference. ~~I imagine that one could be much smaller, but I'm sure it was still much bigger than that room.~~

Today the actual accelerator part of it looks something more like this (this picture is of the one in Spain):

And the x-rays come out of the other side of the wall from that big purple thing.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Found the source of the photo, it's an issue of LIFE magazine which seems to declare it to be the entire device.

I'm currently googling a bit more to see how small one at that energy could be.

Edit: apparently the power of x-rays emitted correlates with energy to the fourth power so a factor of 40x is actually a factor of ~2.5 million.

Edit 2: found a CERN paper that conveniently uses the 70MeV synchrotron as an example, mentions that it had a radius of 29.2cm, and calculates that it was not high enough energy to produce x-rays.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Thanks for looking into it and the link to the paper! Guess I was mistaken about the size requirements, maybe part of the reason for their size now is that you need to fit a bunch of laboratories around them. There has to be more to the story though, since low-tens-of-MeV devices are used all the time in x-ray radiation therapy, but they're usually produced with linear accelerators these days.

Edit: https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/83.5.785 this article seems to strongly imply the device did produce x-rays.

Edit 2: Found it easily enough on scihub, not sure how to share the pdf. It's quite a detailed description of the device. There's no emission spectrum but it does describe the x-rays produced in terms of measuring the beam profile and so on. It also says Indeed the size was about 30cm, and that whole setup there is to move the entire accelerator around to move the beam.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Ah okay I think I've figured out the reason for the difference. My CERN article is talking about "synchrotron radiation" which is a secondary radiation emitted during acceleration of the particle beam, sort of like electronics losing a certain amount of power to heat. Your article seems to be referring to shooting an x-ray beam at something, which I imagine is produced by shooting the electron beam at some sort of target to produce x-rays.

As for size requirements, it seems that it's mostly due to those synchrotron radiation losses. The losses scale with energy to the fourth power, and decrease with the turning radius, so if you want to run a higher energy beam, you need vastly higher radius.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

Oh, damn, great observation. I never even considered that they'd use them for an electron beam for a secondary source, since electron synchrotrons now are pretty much only used for radiation emitted from the beam. (Although they have much fancier means of extracting the radiation than the simple bending magnets now.

As for size, ~3 GeV machines span an order of magnitude in circumference so at least part of it is to do with how many beamlines you want to fit around it, but yeah I'm sure the electron energy makes a lower bound.

[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This photo makes me feel very strange, like I'm looking at the elephant foot from Chernobyl, or some cosmic horror, idk. But I like it, very cool. I want to find this thing wherever they mothballed it in person.

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think it evokes a sort of megalophobia feeling for me. Hotspur's comment made me realize this.