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So my server only has an ipv6 address cos my ISP won't give me an ipv4 without an extortionate fee.

The problem is that my mobile service provider only gives me an ipv4. Hence my phone cannot route to my server without some asshole sitting in the middle.

I'm using a cloudflare tunnel for this but as such that means cloudflare is essentially mitm all my traffic this makes me quite uncomfortable.

Also the fact ipv4 still exists is a pain in the ass for routing etc etc.

So would it be possible for a whole bunch of people to ddos google/other big popular websites ipv4 to ipv6 translation such that their services would still function over ipv6 but make everyone's day awful if running ipv4. Enough angry customers and pissed off users seems like a very effective way to get isps and mobile service providers to get their act together and start issue sing ipv6 to people. I not suggesting anyone do this (as suggesting as such would be illegal) but theoretically would this be possible?

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[–] tiger@lemmy.today 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You could get a dirt cheap VPS and proxy it yourself so a third party like CF is not in the middle. There are reputable providers that are stable enough for a buck or two per month.

[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

so a third party like CF is not in the middle

True, but then the VPS provider is the mitm.

[–] tiger@lemmy.today 6 points 1 month ago

True, but they are likely better for privacy and not as much of a big tech monopoly.

[–] sulfidedisburseangledafternoontipper@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago

There are ways to make that irrelevant. I use a cheap vps and just have it funnel raw traffic for the ports I need to my home server via wireguard. All my SSL certs live on my machine and the VPS can't see any of the traffic contents. I suppose they could redirect traffic elsewhere or start serving whatever on that domain, but I would know immediately and there are some limits to my paranoia.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago

On the other hand, then your mobile provider can't see what you're doing, so six of this, half a dozen of the other.

[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

seems like a very effective way to get isps and mobile service providers to get their act together and start issue sing ipv6 to people.

I don't think DDOS'ing is going to make an ISP change the way they do business. DDOS'ing Google won't make them capitulate either. I use IPV4 exclusively unless it's LAN traffic. I also use the evil Cloudflare Tunnel/Zero Trust and I'll have to say I've been impressed with their free tier. Of course, opinions vary in regards to Cloudflare.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Look at using Pangolin instead of cloudflare. You can buy a cheap VPS or use a free one on Oracle Cloud.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago

So would it be possible for a whole bunch of people to ddos google/other big popular websites ipv4 to ipv6 translation such that their services would still function over ipv6 but make everyone’s day awful if running ipv4. Enough angry customers and pissed off users seems like a very effective way to get isps and mobile service providers to get their act together and start issue sing ipv6 to people.

Trying to DDoS attack Google's IPv4 services to get your mobile provider to provide IPv6 support seems kind of...indirect.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Rent a cheap VPs and use it as your wire guard head.

I rent one for a whopping 2.49€/month. Granted, it's 1gb ram, 1 core, 20gb, but plentiful for a VPN node....

[–] RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I used the free instance that Oracle lets you have for this. It worked well.

[–] Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

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CF CloudFlare
SSL Secure Sockets Layer, for transparent encryption
VPN Virtual Private Network
VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)

4 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 10 acronyms.

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