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• Proton VPN has hit back at Canada's proposed Bill C-22

• The proposed legislation could require VPNs to log user metadata

• NordVPN and Windscribe have also slammed the bill

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[–] dhruv3006@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago

so proton is now a movement.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 57 points 17 hours ago (8 children)

Also Proton: "metadata logging does not count as logging, and handing our logs, I mean non existent logs that only contains totally useless metadata, over to the Swiss government is fine because its the Swiss law"

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 18 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

I kinda want to see what they handed over. They cannot get around the fact that they need to be able to handover data when legally asked with a warrant.

But I do kinda want to see if it is actually useless metadata or it is just our entire history.

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[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 56 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Why is our liberal government a fuckass conservative government?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (4 children)

Neoliberals want that the entity controlled by voters - the elected government/president/whatever (depending on country) - to not watch over or control the things which are important for Money (in their parlance, to "not interfere with the Free Market", which in turn justifies privatising everything).

In other words, to make the Power which is controlled by voters be below the Power Of Money.

They're against Democracy and in favor of Oligarch with "democracy" as a theatrical façade focused only on Moral subjects and not doing anything at all for other things which constrain the Freedom of most people.

Notice how the more hard-core Neoliberal the mainstream "center"-"left" parties in a country are (and the one Canada is pretty hard-core compared to most of Europe, tough even then not quite at the level of the Democrats in the US) the more their entire public political fight with the (Fascist) "center"-right is in the Moral space (Identity Politics) and the less it is in terms of freedoms which are limited by the control of Money over everything required for survival (with productive and shelter assets being owned mainly by a handful of people, so the rest are forced to toil within conditions controled the former group merely to have food and shelter).

In summary, they shrink "Democracy" down to a system that represents voters in the Moral sphere only where they loudly "battle" the "right" and everything else important to voters is controller not by a system where every person has one and only one vote and all votes count the same, but by a system where each dollar is a "vote" and some people have billions more "votes" than others - in other words, it's not Democracy anymore because in most domains the vote which is equal for all individuals controls nothing at all.

I'm not fully familiar with the politics in Canada (though what I've seen of the Liberals is basically what I describe above), but all of this shit is painfully obvious in both the US and Britain, plus it has already infiltrated the rest of Europe to quite an extent (especially the EU, since Neoliberals use its supranational powers which are supposedly to facilitate Trade Integration, to force Neoliberal policies on countries, especially those in the Eurozone).

Anyways, all this to say that the increasing Authoritarianism you see in the more Neoliberal countries is the mainstream "center" parties which control power making sure they can detect and subvert early any civil society movements which might wrestly power away from them - in other words, the final destruction of whatever is left of Democracy and the path which is still left through the vote to undo the Oligarchic system (which would require the mainstream parties to lose most of their vote to alternatives naturally born from the civil society which weren't just puppets created by wealthy individuals, something which already is very difficult in countries with First Past The Post systems and which total civil society surveilance is meant to make impossible)

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[–] theyoyomaster@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Both sides are equally authoritarian once in control.

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 86 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (6 children)

If you're a Canadian, please contact your MP about bill C-22, and do it now. They're voting on this in the next few days.

https://dontsurveil.me/

Salt Typhoon, a hacking group connected to the Chinese government, used the backdoors put in place by CALEA in the US to spend months buried deep in US telecoms providers surveilling citizens. The Liberals are proposing to put in place a worse version of those exact same backdoors. Bring this up to your MP, remind them that when the Chinese (or North Koreans, Iranians, Russians, or even Americans) inevitably exploit these backdoors to do the same thing to us, it's going to blow up in their faces.

Read the link above for more salient points about why this is bad law. Read Open Media's articles on it (https://openmedia.org/press/item/ottawa-repackages-its-surveillance-backdoor-in-bill-c-22). Bring up these points to your MP. Email them. Phone and demand to speak to them. Make a stink about this.

If nothing else, send the form letter from Open Media (the other options are better, but something is better than nothing); https://action.openmedia.org/page/188754/action/1#main-content

They already tried to pass this law once and it failed. Yes, they have a majority now, but it is a very slim majority. If a few MPs defect this bill will die.

[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 9 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Pretty sure my MP blocked me because their office never respond to my inquiries.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 18 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

Phone their office, demand to know why you haven't heard back from them. Make them search through their emails and pull up every message you ever sent. Make them uncomfortable. Be a problem.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Phone their office, demand to know why you haven’t heard back from them. Make them search through their emails and pull up every message you ever sent. Make them uncomfortable. Be a problem.

The part of me that is pessimistic (that part seems to be growing these days...) thinks they would just hang up on you and if you call them back enough times they'll call the police on you to report you for harassment.

Not to discourage people, but it's just frustrating.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works -2 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

You're assuming a bad outcome and then acting as if it's a guaranteed outcome. This is maladaptive behavior under any circumstances.

Please actually talk to a therapist about this if you can. I guarantee this behaviour pattern is occurring in other places in your life, and it's not healthy.

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[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

What is a reasonable period of time to give them to respond to an email? They could be absolutely inundated with complaints, and it would be unreasonable to expect them to move particularly fast.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Instead of theorizing, just call and ask why they haven't responded. If the answer is "Because we're snowed under", well, there you go. And now they know that you really give a shit because you're badgering them for a response. They get a lot of form letters but very few people follow up. That immediately ups the seriousness in their minds.

Be unreasonable if you have to be. I don't mean impolite. Be nice to the human being on the other end of the line. But be demanding. Your MP works for you. Make them work.

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