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I feel like this is a hack that is rarely talked about. And it's the most reliable method I've found for getting an email account that I can use for signing up to other websites.

Imagine you want to create a completely anonymous account on some website. Most websites require an email account to sign up. if you're lucky you can use one of those a temporary email services, but many websites block those nowadays. They only accept trusted email providers like Gmail, Protonmail, etc. And trying to make an anonymous account on those providers is difficult. Even Protonmail, surprisingly. If you try to sign up for Protonmail using a VPN or Tor, they will ask for a phone number or a second email account. So now you have to get a phone number anonymously (very difficult), or get another email account anonymously, back to square one.

Darknet markets solve this problem. Pay a bit of Monero, and you get an account. Completely anonymous. Now I won't pretend it's easy. Even just signing up for a darknet market often requires learning how to PGP encrypt/decrypt messages. But it only takes an 30 min or so to figure it out and sign up, and it opens up a new world of tools to use for privacy. There are many other types of accounts that you can buy aside from Protonmail, and many other products in general that you can buy.

I don't get why Protonmail doesn't just accept anonymous crypto as an option during signup, but until they do this is honestly the most reliable option I've found. I really wish more websites just accepted crypto for account creation. It's understandable that in order to prevent spam accounts, account creation has to cost something, and crypto allows it to cost something without costing your privacy.

Anyways, here's a quick guide to get started. I'll avoid direct links since I don't know if those are allowed.

  1. install Tor Browser Bundle, and use it for the following steps
  2. search for websites like Daunt, Dread forums, and Tor Taxi. Darknet markets change all the time so use those websites to figure out which ones are currently active. Cross-check links across multiple websites to make sure they are trustworthy, since often scam websites will try to pose as legitimate ones
  3. look for markets that let you search for the product you're interested in before signing up, to save you time
  4. some markets require you to load funds into the market and then pay using those funds. Avoid loading more than you need, since some markets have "rugpulled" before (aka taken everybody's funds and disappeared. This is the risk of an anonymous market).

Edit: also if for some reason a seller doesn't accept Monero, you can use a crypto swap. Basically you send the swap service some Monero, tell them what crypto to convert it to (like Bitcoin or Ethereum), and where to send it to. Many can be used anonymously, without signup

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[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 19 points 3 months ago (2 children)

this legit feels illegal/criminal. aren't those accounts stolen or made through identity theft?

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (22 children)

Not necessarily. Protonmail will happily let you create an account if you don't use a VPN or Tor. Such accounts are tied to your IP, so you can't create too many of them, which is all Protonmail cares about, since spam accounts reduce the trustworthiness of their email service. I really doubt sellers are going through efforts to steal accounts, if they can just make them for free at a coffee shop.

Darknet markets create a system where people can create accounts non-anonymously, and convert them into anonymous accounts by selling them to others. I wish this were more common. For example I'd love to be able to pay for an anonymous Youtube Premium account

Edit: also in case it reassures anybody, the accounts I got from the darknet were clearly freshly made accounts, not stolen. Only a few days old, and no emails except the "welcome to protonmail" one.

[–] Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Not necessarily. Protonmail will happily let you create an account if you don't use a VPN or Tor. Such accounts are tied to your IP

Can't you just go somewhere that has public wifi and set up a Proton account from there? No VPN and they dont have your IP.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 6 points 3 months ago

But they have a rough idea about where you come from

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

Could work in some cases, though if the feds were trying to track you down they'd have approximate location + surveillance camera footage to work from. As I said in other comments, the posted method works for extreme threat profiles

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[–] Ch3rry314@piefed.social 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

A much easier and safer way to generate an anonymous email if you live in the EU is to use Posteo.

After you create an account, you get an account code. You can pay by mail with account info on a piece of paper. €1/month. Mail off some Euro, no returned address required.

[–] TiredTiger@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

Posteo accepts other currencies as well, though obviously mailing cash internationally takes longer.

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Very cool I did not know this. Do they ever plan to support Monero? Physical payment methods are still unideal because security cameras can track you.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Track you where? Post it at a post office or drop point with gloves a cap if you want to feel like a badass, dont put a return address on it. How would anyone know by the time it gets to the legitimate company selling a very normal product where it came from to even check cameras?

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[–] yuman@programming.dev 11 points 3 months ago (4 children)

get your old android phone, no phone # needed. install lineageos + gapps. go to some public wifi spot. register a fresh gmail account. jot the login down somewhere. reset/wipe your phone. you're done.

I'd rather stop communicating altogether than do anything that involves interacting with shitcoins in any shape or form.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

this doesn't work these days, google requires your phone number during signup even on android google app. also if you're using 'your' old android phone the IMEI is probably already tied as being owned by you..

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Google wants all your infos, no way around that

[–] yuman@programming.dev 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think that's correct as I've registered a fresh account as described, during the setup phase of a phone, within the last month and no phone number was needed. I'll give you the benefit of doubt as I don't want to do that again just to disprove a stranger on the internet, but if anything changed it had to change in this very, very recent period.

edit: the posit of OP was to open an account in order to be able to register to other accounts, not go jasonbourne on 5eyes and friends.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 9 points 3 months ago

google's system is not simple, they have a very opaque process that determines whether the user's environment is "trustworthy" and asks for more information as needed.

it's still possible to create a new google account without explicitly tying a phone number in some cases, but it hasn't worked reliably for a very long time now.

until about 2023 creating it on an android <= 4.4 (kitkat) worked 100%, but now that also doesn't work.

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Using a nearby public wifi spot, means that the email provider has your approximate location. If the feds get involved, then combined with security camera footage they can likely track you down.

Monero provides a way for people to pay for things anonymously, and is a lot more convenient then trying to pay with cash anonymously. For some people, their privacy is more important than whatever qualms they may have against crypto. Clearly you are not one of those people, and that's fine

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[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why all that version over using the public access computers of your local library?

[–] yuman@programming.dev 3 points 3 months ago

I ain't got none of those and this is/was the only way you can open a gmail account without a phone number; as posited in OP, this is to be used only to register to stuff, not use it as a comms medium.

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[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

you can use certain temp mail providers for protons secondary email verification, money involvement makes it more insecure

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I've never found one that worked, which ones do you use?

[–] Ross86@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm fairly sure Protonmail does not accept this one for the secondary email check they use during signup

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[–] ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Man, if you really think some darknet service is going to be more reliable just because Protonmail wants a specific kind of fiat

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (46 children)

what do you mean? Are you talking about how you can pay for Protonmail using cash? I haven't found a way to anonymously send cash. Physical movement can be easily tracked via surveillance cameras

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Proton email is free and pretty easily accepts new throwaways without having to input any ID

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

every time I tried using VPN or Tor, they asked for phone number or a second email address. For the second email address, I've tried temporary email services but they all got rejected. Any recs?

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[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I make burner inboxes on tutanota for longterm, yopmail for short-term. You might have to try multiple exits, but eventually you can get tuta to let you make an account over TOR.

Why pay for a burner?

That being said if you need a burner SMS number, no good free alternative to that since those usually involve simfarming.

Been a fan of smspool for that reason.

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[–] voxel@feddit.uk 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)
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[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Just get a Tuta account. No recovery email or phone number required. Sometimes they will kill a new account, just wait a day or two before using it or buy a voucher from Proxysrore with Monero and upgrade.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Tuta will kill any new account that is used to register to another service. It's in their ToS and you get blocked immediately.

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[–] Rick_C137@programming.dev 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Tuta is not the best check the list at the bottom of the first post --> https://programming.dev/post/50697138

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[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I've recently changed dozens of accounts to use Mozilla email masks. Most websites accept them, and the ones that don't I think twice if I actually need that service. I have Simple Login and 3 custom domains if I really want to, before I give out a personally identifiable name. I've only seen one service that was super strict and only allowed gmail, outlook/hotmail, and yahoo.

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[–] DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

cock.li has no kyc signup i think

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[–] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 2 points 3 months ago

Outlook gives you aliases, but obviously we're not trying to use big bro tech.

Proton paid does this as does free with limited aliases.

Then there's SimpleLogin (also through Proton) that gives you a bunch of domains to use with several other domains. The only service that rejected the alias domain was Github, but it's trash and owned by MS so nbd.

[–] MonaySimpson@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Can you elaborate on how to get get Monero and hide then transaction from BigData/Gov?

I've seen some of the basic steps but I imagine the Gov/Bank see me transfer money to a Monero.

They see that Monero account pay for ServiceX. They then see ServiceX coming from my IP (a VPN might precent this). Or they see ServiceX used by an account that is linked to me. Or they see a number of services paid for by the same Monero account.

Using a VPN is not always possible.

I've also seen machines that take cash but imagine these have CCTV to prevent theft and many link to me even harder.

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don't quite remember since I bought it so long ago, but I think the easiest method was to simply buy some bitcoin or ethereum at an exchange (they usually don't support monero), and then use a swap service to convert to monero. I also remember something about rinsing/washing your initial funds, by first sending them to another Monero wallet that you own? Sort of like a mixer, but since Monero transactions are mixed up by default, you can just send them to another wallet and the final wallet is now unlinked from you? To be honest I don't even know if this step is necessary. Hopefully somebody else can pitch in here with more up-to-date tips.

As for your VPN concerns, if you can't use a VPN all the time, reading online it seems like the official Monero GUI wallet supports Tor, though I haven't tried it so I can't really help here

Edit: in case you haven't heard of Tails or Whonix, I'd also recommend looking into those if you care strongly about privacy. Be warned that they are fairly inconvenient to use though

Edit2: it seems like the extra step of sending the funds from one monero wallet to another one that you own, is unnecessary. If you use a KYC exchange, then use a (non-NYC) swap to convert to Monero and transfer to your wallet, then you should be fine. Though it can't hurt to send the money to a second wallet, sort of like adding a hop to the onion routing system used by Tor.

Also, apparently Monero feather wallet has good Tor support. You can read more on reddit or the Dread forums on Tor

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Gov/Bank see me transfer money to Monero

They don't, Monero transactions are entirely anonymous and untraceable.

They see that Monero account pay for ServiceX

They don't, Monero transactions are entirely anonymous and untraceable.

they see a number of services paid for by the same Monero account.

They don't, Monero transactions are entirely anonymous and untraceable.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

you're doing the divine's work; thank you for this!

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