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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not that the American health insurance system is really "savable", but one great initial measure might be to require a doctoral sign-off on every rejection. So, if doctor A claims a patient needs a prescription, and the insurance company wishes to deny it, then doctor B must stake their degree on the fact that the patient does not need it.

I feel like insurance companies would pretty quickly run out of doctors willing to sign such things.

[–] Medic8teMe@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

Having worked in medicine...you do not want doctors policing doctors.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Cancer isn't killing you to save money.

[–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 10 points 4 days ago

~~save~~ hoard

FTFY

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago

Any antifascists who are actually terminally ill and physically able who aren’t planning on taking direct action on their way out can go ahead and kick off now.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Cancer diverts the body's resources to its own growth, disproportionally to its contribution (not that it has any), and rather than doing this by direct and explicit violence like proper parasites it uses the body's own regulatory mechanisms to trick it into restructuring itself to give away its resources.

The main difference is that cancer is not sentient - let alone sapient - and thus incapable of holding moral accountability.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

I call them parasites but not sure if that's strong enough to describe how disgusting insurance is.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 6 points 4 days ago (16 children)

So, how come people don't just skip insurance? Is there some stupid law that forces you to have insurance? Or is insurance somehow cheaper?

[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 days ago

So, how come people don’t just skip insurance?

Like so many other things in life, the answer is: It's complicated. But also, a great many people DO skip health insurance.

Is there some stupid law that forces you to have insurance?

Not on a national/federal level, no.

Or is insurance somehow cheaper?

The answer here is very complicated and literally varies from person to person and also how you define "cheaper". Overall, the answer is no.

On average, health insurance is not cheaper when you consider the total cost of the plans. These are for-profit companies, many/most are incredibly profitable with high margins of profit, which by definition means they make more on the the plans than they pay out. For that to happen, it means they cost more than they pay out (aka not cheaper).

On an individual basis, however, the equation can go either way. For some people and for some years, a person can come out ahead by having health insurance in the sense that the cost of the plan + the out-of-pocket cost of treatments is less than the out-of-pocket expenses they would have paid if they were not insured. Usually this is because the person has a lot of health issues, had a child that year, was diagnosed with cancer, and things like that.

Another aspect of the equation is that employer sponsored health insurance is nearly always less expensive than getting private insurance on your own for comparable plans. The health insurance companies give employers special group discounts on plans, as a starter. In addition, most employers subsidize some amount of the cost of the plans, so that the employees aren't directly paying the full price. Obviously that gets nebulous pretty quickly so I'm not going to dig too much into the weeds here, but wanted to mention this. On a surface level, this means an employee might pay $200 for their insurance plan, employer might pay $500, and a comparable plan on the open market would be $1,000 (but the group discount means that the insurance company is only charging the employer $700 for it).

Additionally, health insurance is a hedge against catastrophic health issues like cancer, because they typically have a cap on how much a person is expected to pay each year for medical treatment (aka max out of pocket). So, even if it doesn't strictly save you money, it gives you a reasonably accurate maximum bound on how much you'll have to pay that year.

Another consideration for health insurance is that it acts as a "get in the door" card for some amount of health care. Outside of emergency care, most everything else has an upfront cost, and if you don't have that money, you don't get treatment. With insurance, that upfront cost is typically a fixed copay (like $50 to see a doctor). Without insurance, most/many doctors will require you to pay in full upfront before you get seen (so like $350). In the USA, that difference in cost between a copay and full price is the difference between getting treatment or not even if the overall picture is that insurance is more expensive.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Is there some stupid law that forces you to have insurance?

Yes actually.

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[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

My medication will cost $1000 a month without it. When I was sick with something else I would have paid $700 a pill I had to take every day for a month.

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