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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 77 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It is absolutely maddening to see American pundits defend every dumbshit, ruinous, genocidal policy over the last twenty years by pointing at China and claiming, "We had to show them we were the boss".

From AI to A-bombs, there's nothing you can't get away with by insisting "China Bad! This will stop them!"

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago

We are operating from a position of strength!

[–] axx@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago

It's a very convenient go-to excuse. And as long as the American public keeps lapping it up, those in power will keep counting on it.

[–] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They can't admit the only reason has been "Money!"

[–] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

And not even the country's, just that of a few old pedophiles trying to rape some life out of children in a vain attempt to feel youth again before the grave takes them

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (8 children)

China couldn't give a shit about supposed US deterrence.
Henry knows that, he also knows that China receives the largest share of oil exports passing through the Strait of Hormuz, accounting for 37.7% of the trade route's total volume.
That is why they had their own blockade.

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[–] pticrix@lemmy.ca 38 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I think Americans should ban debate clubs. Clearly they're only teaching how to create mental convolutions instead of creating sound arguments.

[–] subverted_per@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Oh no, debate clubs are actually very good at teaching kids how to discern good information from bad, and how to make proper arguments with supporting evidence. Right wing media teaches gish gallop and never be wrong, it's these two ideas that have taken over discourse.

[–] pticrix@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

I will have to take your word on that. Got to admit my opinion is based on a limited set of people I had the displeasure of interacting with.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Really depends on the debate club, there are plenty in conservative areas that are basically just right-wing influencer spawning grounds

[–] sangeteria@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Americans should consider doing mathematical convolution instead. Very important for functional analysis with deep connections to the Laplace, and thus Fourier, transforms.

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[–] BottleBoardBakon@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'd put money on China being able to pwn the USA with the click of a button. We know about salt typhoon, and there's been documented backdoors in IoT devices and some Unitree bots. Imagine all the things we don't know about. Especially regarding power generation and general aging infrastructure.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Buddy, I could tell you that based on the fact that they've lost every single war they've been in since WWII.

[–] fanbois@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

An open conflict between the US and china would probably end with exactly zero winners and an uninhabitable glowing piece of rock orbiting the sun. Maybe the cockroaches can then find a better path to communism.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I feel like nukes are more just showpieces than item that anyone actually considers using.

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[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

probably depends on whose soil it's on and whether or not it's a proxy war and/or world war.

[–] mecen@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 days ago

I thing losing $400b will greatly help to put china in its place

[–] axx@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 day ago

How can people be so delusional?

"When their salary depends on it" is a decent first answer.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 29 points 2 days ago

Literally the equivalent of a homeless libertarian laughing at well to do, middle class Chinese people because he thinks he's better off

demonstrating that the US is willing

Yes, because America is famous for the ambiguity around whether or not we'd go to war with global South nations

and able

No

In that sense, it was already won

The government can behave like a rabid dog, but China would Old Yeller America

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

China and Iran are allies.

If the US and China go to war Iran will close the strait to their enemies. And we’ve seen the US is impotent to that and overly reliant on oil.

I think China just has to deal with a first strike from the US and then wait for an impotent United States to fall apart and starve.

[–] JillyB@beehaw.org 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think your last point is pretty accurate. The US side has done a bunch of war games for a Taiwan invasion situation. In these games, the US side barely wins. To me, that's evidence the US probably loses. All of the Chinese decision making is done by US military people that think like the US military. If the PLA acts differently, they could easily be in a better position. Also, the Chinese capabilities will be based on US intelligence. Unless the Pentagon knows everything about missile ranges, warhead sizes, magazine depth, aircraft speeds and ranges, etc, they won't be able to anticipate a capability they didn't know about.

Probably most importantly, China has a vast industrial base and would be much closer to the fighting. All they really have to do is use up the US missile stockpiles and shoot down a few planes (probably while they're just parked in Okinawa). Once the war becomes about who can manufacture more missiles and planes to replace losses, there's no way the US will be able to keep up. If it becomes a protracted war, the US loses by default.

Edit: also, I'm not so sure Iran would close the straight. But I don't think it would matter because part of the US plans involve closing the Malaca straight to starve the Chinese of oil. They'll do it themselves.

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

And as His Orangeness has said, Ghina is expensive.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 9 points 2 days ago

Remember folks, the guy is a master of the deal

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