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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago

So it has a negative ROI and anyone who brought it into their firm is a clueless twat who uncritically bought a sales pitch.

If corporate governance were not a joke, C-level heads would roll.

[–] julysfire@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My company recently converted our PMs into Vine Engineers right after laying off actual engineers. They don't even know what git is or how to use it. 3 of them alone are using $7k a month in Claude tokens and they have not raised so much as a single PR.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 hours ago

Who needs PRs? What's a branch? It defaults to master and that seems to work just fine!

[–] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 32 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I’m confused. I thought employers loved AI and it was the future.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

They love money. AI was good money for a while. Or at least it looked like good money until you looked at it for longer than 3 seconds, which greatly surpasses the average attention span of an executive. And also the average executive's iq.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Mixed bag.

There are legitimately high value problems that AI works well against. But ungoverned proliferation has a net negative ROI across complex and difficult to measure areas.

When applied expertly, it works great. When blindly handed to your entire workforce as a panacea, not so much

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

They loved it too much and now it costs more than paying a living wage to a human being. The end goal of AI was always to cut cost and layoff people. The best sabotage right now is to setup a script that constantly prompts an LLM for something useless. I would recommend it if it didn't waste so much energy and clean water. But it would send a message. AI is not cheaper, it never was. Even with today's outrageous token prices, LLM companies are still bleeding money per user. It will only get more expensive as data center contracts fall through and the investment craze fizzles out.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 2 days ago

the AI companies are hoping the ones buying the LLM subscriptions to be the suckers and losers.

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[–] Bakkoda@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Some CEO guy said employees must evolve. Throttle your workloads even more employees. Transcend! Praise be to the AI overlord(s)!

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 148 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Lol. Lmao even. Rofl perhaps.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But it stops clearly short of roflmao, I infer?

[–] gedfromgont@piefed.ca 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The roflcopter has left the pad. No sleep til LOLWTFBBQ

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[–] FukOui@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

A sign of the times? Possible lead in the bubble popping?

[–] nullspace@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

AI bubble popping is that gif of the crash test truck.

[–] bandanawearingbanana@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] nullspace@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Wait for it.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 86 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Something I’ve been noticing recently is that while the cost per token on specific models hasn’t gone up, the provided interfaces for using those models are starting to chew up significantly larger numbers of tokens for the same tasks that used fewer tokens with older versions of the interface software just a few months ago. Likely the interfaces are applying more expensive guardrail prompts and charging the end user for those tokens — but the end result is that it costs 4x as much to get the same work done.

[–] r1veRRR@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

A very large chunk of the improvements in the last year have come not from categorically better models, but from the circumstances of the models massively improving. For example, reasoning is just automatic prompt engineering, and eats a fuckton of tokens. Harnesses give LLMs tools, making it easier to turn nondeterminism into determinism (does this code compile is a decision the compiler can answer definitely). Then there's subagents, which is just automatic context engineering.

Basically, the price per token might not have changed, but in practice, the amount of tokens used to get "SOTA" performance has massively increased.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 20 points 3 days ago (13 children)

"Tokens" are just made up.

These "tokens" that are used to "measure" how much you use, they are not a real dimension that can be measured. Just an artificial counter that goes up when they decide that it should go up.

They can change the "size" of a "token" every day, and every second, and every microsecond....

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 53 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Not entirely wrong, but tokens are not just "fake" in the way, for example, an in-game currency is. They're the fundamental "units" of data, both input and output, processed by the model. For most models, tokens are just a certain number of characters or words. So they're not completely untethered from the model. If we're both using Clankerbot v5.1: Sloppy Logic Edition™️, your tokens are defined in the same way mine are.

This is near the edge of my limited understanding, but AFAIK, yeah they can mess with token costs and billing schemes all they want. They could theoretically charge us 2 different costs per token, or do surge pricing or some shit.

if they wanted to change the actual size/definition of what a token is though, that would require a whole new model (or at least a major revision).

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You aren't totally wrong. Such a unit exists and it is also called tokens, that can measure the capability of a model and the size of a running operation in a model.

But what they use for calculating your bill is something different today.

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[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is actually how the bubble begins to pop, we're seeing it happen now.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

...said every day now for a year

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 16 points 2 days ago

Uplifting News

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 18 points 2 days ago

All over America, employees are saying "But YOU said..."

[–] Zulu@lemmy.world 61 points 3 days ago (3 children)

How is it too expensive? Surely it's generating way more profit than it would cost in value. How else could it be propping up the entire economy?

Itd have to be some kind of bubble and that would mean we were in a lottttt of danger and should reasses our use of it.

Nah we should just reduce our use because its too expensive and then stop thinking about it beyond that.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

Itd have to be some kind of bubble and that would mean we were in a lottttt of danger and should reasses our use of it.

Well yeah, but if it were the only sector propping up the whole economy and we reassessed it, the economy would be in a loooooot of danger anyway.

Luckily, that would never happen...

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[–] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] funkyshoe@piefed.social 35 points 3 days ago (4 children)

That's funny now that whole workflows are automated with it. Oops hit the quota, I'm off

[–] grue@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (3 children)

You mean those workflows that could've been traditional scripting and CI/CD, if not for management forcing AI into them? Those workflows?

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[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (25 children)

I don't really understand how people are using so many tokens. At work I haven't even hit $200 I spend per month. Wtf are people doing with these things that burns so many tokens?

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If you run "agentic coding harness" or any kind of goal oriented loop then tokens goe brrrr.

And LLM sellers are pushing for that (duh), as they managed to convince people to use infinite monkeys typewriting until they make Hamled.

(Type made on purpose)

[–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 11 points 2 days ago

I do it on purpose

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Agent loops for SWE burn a LOT of tokens.

I'm unfortunately temporarily disabled and can't use my hands for another 2 months. So I've leaned heavily into AI based workflows to keep my job in the meantime.

Aside from the nightmare of keeping quality high, not atrophying skills, and avoiding a lack of domain knowledge. It works reasonably okay.

Token usage is insane though. A productive day might cost a few hundred dollars in tokens all things considered. Quality is expensive as well, a good 1/4 of that are automated systems that exist to identify defects, quality, coherence....etc issues early.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Some companies had leaderboards and encouraged AI usage until they got their bills.

[–] ammonium@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

A big context costs a lot more

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[–] iltoroargento@startrek.website 22 points 3 days ago

We can only hope this helps kill the fad. I know companies won't be taking any realistic lesson from this, but at least this can force them to abandon a lot of this crap.

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