does ANY model reason at all?
this post was submitted on 08 Jun 2025
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No, and to make that work using the current structures we use for creating AI models we’d probably need all the collective computing power on earth at once.
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Define reason.
Like humans? Of course not. They lack intent, awareness, and grounded meaning. They don’t “understand” problems, they generate token sequences.
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I think I do. Might be an illusion, though.
This has been known for years, this is the default assumption of how these models work.
You would have to prove that some kind of actual reasoning capacity has arisen as... some kind of emergent complexity phenomenon.... not the other way around.
Corpos have just marketed/gaslit us/themselves so hard that they apparently forgot this.
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Employers who are foaming at the mouth at the thought of replacing their workers with cheap AI:
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stochastic parrots. all of them. just upgraded “soundex” models.
this should be no surprise, of course!
This sort of thing has been published a lot for awhile now, but why is it assumed that this isn't what human reasoning consists of? Isn't all our reasoning ultimately a form of pattern memorization? I sure feel like it is. So to me all these studies that prove they're "just" memorizing patterns don't prove anything other than that, unless coupled with research on the human brain to prove we do something different.
Agreed. We don't seem to have a very cohesive idea of what human consciousness is or how it works.
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This. Same with the discussion about consciousness. People always claim that AI is not real intelligence, but no one can ever define what real/human intelligence is. It's like people believe in something like a human soul without admitting it.
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I mean... Is that not reasoning, I guess? It's what my brain does-- recognizes patterns and makes split second decisions.
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