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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has reaffimed his firm refusal to cede any territory, resisting U.S. pressure for a painful compromise with Russia as he continued to rally European support for Ukraine.

“Undoubtedly, Russia insists for us to give up territories. We, clearly, don’t want to give up anything. That’s what we are fighting for,” Zelenskyy said in a WhatsApp chat late Monday in which he answered reporters’ questions.

“Do we consider ceding any territories? According to the law we don’t have such right. According to Ukraine’s law, our constitution, international law, and to be frank, we don’t have a moral right either.”

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[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip -3 points 6 days ago (17 children)

How would you look at the Russian economy?

The best measure I can think of is GDP growth. It can be hard to estimate but it shows the change in an economy over time. The most accurate data I know of for that is the World Bank.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?end=2024&locations=US-RU-CN-JP-IN-GB-FR-DE-IT-CA&start=2019

You'll notice that for most of that period, which includes the entire Ukraine war, Russia's economy has been solidly on par with the other 9 largest economies in the world. They still have active trading relations with most of the world https://www.volza.com/global-trade-data/russia-export-trade-data/russia-export-trading-partners/

At the current rates, Ukraine will bleed out before Russia does.

[–] deHaga@feddit.uk 8 points 5 days ago (14 children)

Increased spending on war machines increases GDP. It's not good for the country though. The opportunity cost is huge

[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip -2 points 5 days ago (13 children)

Do you have a better measure of the economy?

Both Russia and Ukraine are destroying each other's infrastructure do you have some data that shows Russia is suffering more from it than Ukraine is?

[–] prex@aussie.zone 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sure. That's a very reasonable measure too. Can you find GNI data that suggests that Russia's economy will collapse soon enough for it to be useful for Ukraine?

[–] prex@aussie.zone 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not going to waste my time. How about Russia dipping into its gold reserves?

[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not going to waste my time.

Then why even reply? The whole point of this thread is to examine evidence of realistic claims about Russia and Ukraine. If you present evidence that you haven' tbothered to look at yourself why would anyone think it supports your claim?

[–] prex@aussie.zone 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sealion.
What evidience do you have? I never made a claim, I just provided a common metric that economists use to indicate indicate - something.

[–] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

I posted evidence at the top of the thread. You're the one saying it's not good enough so I'm suggesting that you should be the one to provide better evidence to the contrary.

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