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To be fair, people have been voting with their wallet as well. EVs aren't hitting the sales numbers the auto manufacturers wanted them to hit. Removing the subsidies doesn't help. Well it doesn't help US manufacturers, it does help China get ahead in the EV market and be better positioned for the future.
This is technically true, but misses the context of massive PR and smear campaigns against EVs on social media. People voted with their wallet after being bombarded with propaganda on EVs being somehow more dangerous, somehow worse for the environment, and that it's more fun apparently to go to a gas station every week.
Me, an EV owner who hasn't gone to a gas station in 2 years now, has had no maintenance, and happily charges at home
Yeah, but the EV companies could have ran counter attacks if it was that easy.
If it provides any context at all, I want my next vehicle to be an EV. I've already had my electrician run large enough conduit to add L2 charging to my garage when I added electricity to my garage this year. My dream vehicle is actually the Rivian R1T.
Having a charger at home is honestly so freaking nice. I just don't think about gas or gas stations or anything. I will never go back to ICE vehicles after this one
It was strange talking to my brother about that - I showed him the data that last year I needed to use a supercharger three times in road trips, never more than 20 minutes. Otherwise I charge at home for half price. All those weeks of never going to a gas station are somehow outweighed by the very small number of times I need to charge in a trip.
I did eventually persuade him but he bought the Chevy ~~behemoth~~ Silverado because he thinks he needs to drive 7 hours at a stretch instead of five
I try to tell people this all the time. They always say they're worried about range and I slays remind them that it's plugged in when you're home so you always start the day with full range. Unlike an ICE where your range dwindles with every drive until you make a specific stop at a gas station. Also not having to worry about oil changes has to be amazing.
Though, if I started at home, drove out of town to where I'm staying for the night, and the woman/friend/family member/hotel I'm sleeping at doesn't have a charger, then I start the day severely depleted and have to go find the nearest charger god knows where and then hang out there for what I assume is at least a couple hours.
With gas, yeah you have to get gas, but gas stations are everywhere and I don't have to wait for the gas to charge, it just dumps in the tank and I'm back moving in under 5min.
It’s not a couple hours it’s like 15-30 minutes.
A prime example of the argument propaganda has pushed.
How do I know? Because I've seen this argument literally hundreds of times and it's so easily bunked.
How often do you actually make that drive? Is it every month or more? I highly highly doubt that you're driving that far that frequently.
If it's that rare? Rent a car. It'll be less than buying gas.
Or, if you have a two car household have one EV and one ice. Take the ice on long trips and then 99% of the trips you take near home it's ev.
Even if they make that drive every month, a plugin hybrid would be a vastly better solution. I used to have a job I did have to make the trip every month. I really wanted a plugin hybrid for that reason.
Yes, for that rare occurrence you will be inconvenienced. Meanwhile every other day of your life will be more convenient.
Rare for you, not necessarily rare for everyone.
What's more, I have a townhouse with an HOA I hate, not even sure I'm allowed to install a charger out front of my house. And before that when I was renting apartments what am I supposed to run an extension cord from my bedroom down to the parking lot?
Not everyone has the privileged homebody life you may, happy for you though.
Rare for me, and the vast majority of people.
You're really trying to throw an ad hominem attack at me, but your problems are systematic. Your problems aren't with me, someone who wants you to have a better, less stressful life. You've got things twisted in your head.
It's not ad hominem, your argument is "people don't sleep outside their house, the house they own, where they can install a charger for their car."
From this we can conclude you are privileged enough to afford a new(ish, at least) car, own a house, and you're a homebody who by your own admission doesn't often sleep outside of said house at a friend's, girlfriend's, relative's, or hotel, thus privileged and a homebody.
Would it be nice if every house had at least two or three car chargers so everyone could charge their cars at the same time and we could all go electric? Sure. Can everyone I know afford to buy a car, a house, and install the chargers? No. Am I going to install one at my house, one at my mom's for when I visit, and one at my girlfriend's apartment? Also no.
Keep trying to make me the enemy. I'm sure that will help everyone.
The problem for me is the absolutely criminal rates for DC fast charging, and the fact that almost every EV charger is trying to lock you in to an ecosystem. This is pretty easy to fix though.
What I learned driving my EV for a year is that people don't have range anxiety, they have charging anxiety. When you are on a trip in your EV, it is very difficult to find a charger without pulling over and futzing around in a few apps. Meanwhile, for gas cars, they've had 2+ stations at every exit for the last hour with prices on billboards that can be seen from miles away.
This is valid, the charging infrastructure was getting much better than stalled ironically because people said "the charging infrastructure isn't good enough". If a trip is long enough sometimes we just rent a car
My "break even" point where it costs the same to use my EV or my wife's civic is one stop to recharge. If a trip is going to take 2 or more fast charges, it's cheaper to to take the other car.