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On the one hand, Maduro's leadership is illegitimate and horrible.
That said, the US isn't invading because they want to bring peace and democracy to them. It's because they want to get oil production for private businesses back into the country and because they didn't "fall in line".
Fucking US Imperialism revival going on......
Say you're living in a house with a shitty landlord. The local mobster turns up at his house, beats him up, and steals the keys to his tenants' houses. The tenants cheer! The mobster then proceeds to turn up at your house, open the doors with the keys, and steals all your shit.
The mobster is not on your side and never was.
Note that "all your shit" includes your copper plumbing and wiring so your house is uninhabitable. He probably tracked in a bunch of PFAS and other toxic stuff all over your garden too. And left an upper decker in your toilet for good measure.
And then his friends companies will offer to replace your copper pipes with some shit that’s illegal in their home town
ah the 'ol upper decker!
hit em where it hurts (and where they can't see it, only smell it. well except for the toilet that keeps flushing brown)
Agreed. But, going forward. Don't even give the first "hand" point. It's meaningless. All it does is give a "both sides" opening for the normies to think there is debate.
This isn't 2010. The fascist don't arguing in good faith. Just state that this shit is wrong, why it's wrong, and move on.
We ARE the Nazis. There isn't a "well, you would invade if Hilter was leader" argument to be had. This is the equivalent of Hilter invading Venezuela. There are no scenarios in which "one hand" needs to be said.
I really hope people start to understand this. Because, at this point, any "hand" given to America is like giving justification for Nazi Germany.
In this case rhe US are the baddies however you spin it
I'd argue it's closer to Russia invading Cuba, but valid.
No. Forgetting truth is what got us here. Maduro was a sham-"elected" dictator, not some gardener making tomatoes.
Words mean things, and using them dishonestly weakens the word. We are not Nazis, Trump is not Hitler, as there are not literal roving death squads literally rounding up and gunning down minorities as state policy. The US is not invading Venezuela for liebenstraum with the intent of genociding the people who live there.
The words you're looking for are "Mussolini" and "fascist Italy". Can even mention invading Ethiopia! And maybe even relish in how Mussolini met his end :)
Venezuela's elections were widely monitored, even independent groups from the US said they didn't find irregularities. The people saying it was stolen are the same people asking Trump to take over, and they also support Israeli genocide and asked them to help as well. Do you have a direct source for your conviction that the elections were a sham?
Maduro's leadership is a helluva lot more legitimate than the orange pedophile.
The bar of course, is so low we still haven't heard it hit the bottom yet. :(
It’s unclear that they’re illegitimate.
Yes, they certainly manipulated an election.
…but “the west” was manipulating the same election.
...Maduro and Trump?
Not sure what you mean.
I’m saying it not at all clear Maduro is illegitimate. Trump certainly has no high ground to unilaterally decide who is and who isn’t.
"revival" you say, as if this hasn't been the entire history of the US. they're just not bothering to even try to cover it up anymore
Yes. If they intervened right after the elections, there could be an argument, but now it’s obvious that it’s only about business. Trump and his cronies don’t give a shit about democracy
i heard chevron was still operating under maduro, but the others ones were ousted decades ago.