Why are warhawks like mearsheimer saying it's NATO expansion? Why was Joe fucking Biden able to predict in the 90s that NATO expansion would trigger a war?

My point on the China thing is that they are aktivly supporting our European enemy

China is also supporting Ukraine and the peace effort (which got cynically dismissed by Europe). Also the "European enemy" was created by NATO. You had a economic partnerships after the dissolution of the UDSSR. Why was NATO allowed to continue to exist when the basis of it's existence was the UDSSR?

If China were to actively support the war effort on Russias behalf, the war would look much differently.

What do you not get about it being a problem if they keep Russia in the war???

Why do you not get that that there's a UN as a forum to bring international issues to? Not unilaterally decide to sanction and pressure/coerce other countries because you try to claim moral high ground? Is it because when the issue would be brought to the UN not every country would be siding with the West and Ukraine on this? Is it because everyone with half a brain sees that provoking this war serves western capital?

And they don’t provide it in the same way for Ukraine

You mean the drone parts that china was providing Ukraine until the US pressured to not do so anymore?

there never was a threat of an intervention in Russia

Not true when the west was pushing Navalny and arming Ukraine. You're either naive or mad that the Russians aren't

It’s just that Russia is sad that they can’t pull a Belarus on Ukraine so everyone has to respect their feelings?

Nation states have interests not feelings. Seeing this lack of understanding of geopolitics is also the reason why you keep repeating NATO propaganda

What is your point?

Why are you blaming China when it's obvious that it's the US and European political elite fault that the war is happening

[+] TheTestHuman@feddit.org -12 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

This doesn't make sense. And as you can see with Belarus and Georgia, those countries just want to decide their own futures. But guys like you always go about but Russia didn't want them to and that's threatening. They want to be able to send soldiers and do whatever they want. Why should Russia be in charge they weren't even in charge of the Soviet Union for the most time of its existence.

The UN thing is the part were I will stop talking to you. IF YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE VETO MEMBERS ARE. WOW RUSSIA WILL OF COURSE NOT BLOCK SANCTIONS AGAINST THEMSELVES.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Belarus sit on the fence for 30 years, until NATO (especially Poland and Lithuania) hybrid warfare and constant subversion culminating in a coup attempt in 2020 resulted in them finally taking the side of Russia because you can't fucking trust Europe on nothing.

Georgia was so infested by US and western money it has by far highest amount of meddling NGO's per population and it was first set up by NATO into ethnic cleaninsing campaign in Souther Ossetia and attacking Russian peacekeeprs there, fortunately they were wiser than Ukraine and retreated after Russia intervened, i guess they were just not nazi enough for them to fight for EU to the last Georgian.

Yeah by all means, US empire and their vassals should definitely let those two countries decide for themselves, unfortunately you cannot be neutral to the world hegemon, the only choice is between subjugation or resistance.

[–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 hours ago

as you can see with Belarus and Georgia, those countries just want to decide their own futures

You mean the US and EU deciding the future for them. Guess you never gave a listen to the leaked Nuland call in regards to Ukraine.

You're just trying to justify unilateral sanctions by claiming moral high ground and cry about china not following along when it's obvious to them that this war has been provoked by NATO.

I will stop talking to you.

Thank you finally