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Totally theoretically; would it be possible to create a system of satellites that a government (like Iran for example) couldn't block access to that would allow people to get even a limited form of the internet? If so what would it look like?

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[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 23 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

No. The primary way of blocking radio is by raising the noise floor across the band. The type of radio is irrelevant. The protocol is irrelevant. It is all only the electromagnetic spectrum from infrared light, to visible spectrum light, to radio light, through to xray or gamma ray light. How we divide that up into protocols, bands, and names is totally irrelevant. When transmitting radio light, we are all restricted in how much power we are allowed to send. All receiver circuits are listening for meaningful information above the noise floor. Bands are allocated to try to create spaces for certain types of communications. This controls the noise floor. Then electrical engineers design the hardware you buy to operate within this specification. If that noise floor is raised, the physical hardware is unable to retrieve information and effectively makes it useless. If you are a radio wizard and build your own transmitter that has more power, you just created a giant beacon that anyone will track easily to your location. Transmitting always reveals your exact location. In military operations, you constantly hear about some entity going radio silent. This is why. If you are a soldier, you may not carry a cell phone at all when on the job because it is constantly revealing your location. The only way to avoid this is with actually hard wire connections. You are able to use lasers for line of sight communications, but in practice, you will be limited by the optical lens focusing complexity and atmospheric distortion even from the ground with point to point regional communication. If anyone crosses the beam it will still be detected and is likely to leak some light depending on conditions and design.

Ultimately, your only real option is the sneaker net which is damn near useless in US suburbia hell. Don't forget that the freeway system was not created for the citizenry. It is only about military mobility. That is why the Germans made the autobahn and why the USA and others had to copy the idea. Your only defense is in the democratic political space.

[–] fiendishplan@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Well there goes that idea, thanks for the detailed response.

[–] BCOVertigo@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

Don't give up! WAN links use shielding and beamforming, or even just lasers to avoid general background noise and achieve high bandwidth even in adverse conditions. Anything can be a medium for data!

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

I'd think that there are practical limits to jamming. After all, jamming doesn't just make radio impossible, it just makes the transmitter and receiver need to get closer together (so that their signal strength in that shorter distance is strong enough to overcome the jamming from further away). Most receivers filter out the frequencies they're not looking for, so any jammer will need to actually be hitting that receiver with that specific frequency. And many modern antenna arrays rely on beamforming techniques less susceptible to unintentional interference or intentional jamming that is coming from a different direction than where it's looking. Even less modern antennas can be heavily directional based on the physical design.

If you're trying to jam a city block, with a 100m radius, of any and all frequencies that radios use, that's gonna take some serious power. Which will require cooling equipment if you want to keep it on continuously.

If you're trying to jam an entire city, though, that just might not be practical to hit literally every frequency that a satellite might be using.

I don't know enough about the actual power and equipment requirements, but it seems like blocking satellite communications between satellites you don't control and transceivers scattered throughout a large territory is more difficult than you're making it sound.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Highly directional antennae can mitigate this type of jamming. Coincidentally, satellite communication also uses highly directional antennae.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

It is not a laser beam.