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I never used WhatsApp, but what made people think they used e2e? I'm way passed blindly believing what any company says they do without proof. I'd expect some kind of key or certificate management in the app, is that present?
Heck.. my default is still to think every website does plaintext password storage. I can't prove it, but neither can they. Stop storing my passwords in plaintext lemmy! /s
People expect it what WhatsApp claims it's E2E encrypted at the start of each chat:
And also because at some point they hired Signal people to design E2EE for them, I think.
I don't think they hired them, they just use the open source code library that the signal app also uses.
I mean yeah, I get that.. but why would I believe that? Its trivial to add a label in an app and make it say that. I'm questioning trust here. My question should have rather been: why do people trust Meta will do exactly what they say? Its Meta, that immediately sends alarms to my brain saying to stay cautious. Like I said, there's no way to verify what that piece of text says and the people who would be interested in e2e encryption are also that kind of people who should know what a trusted authority is.
No inherent reason to believe that, but seems like lying about this should be illegal. The belief is in Meta's compliance with the law rather than in its ethics, which, according to these claims, is unfortunately an unfounded belief.
Why would the law matter? We clearly saw him bribe the president. It was public and in our faces.
Around a year ago WhatsApp had large ads that just said "no one else can read your messages." I don't think most people thought that some one could, which makes me wonder why they were paying so much to say it.
Any time they get asked questions like "Are my messages visible only to me?", they answer with a very canned response like "Your messages are encrypted from end-to-end and can't be read by anyone while in transit" ... or words to that effect. I have never seen them state that no analytics or telemetry is happening on the unencrypted side by the client. Which has always bothered me.
Because after N scandals, they needed to make sure people would trust them. Meta had never considered itself bound to any promise or commitment they ever made to anyone (users, ads customers, etc.). But you want a monopole, you need to make sure people see no issue with using your services.
And they're doing it again with Threads. And it works AGAIN, because they promised not to do anything evil. Pending the next inevitable scandal with users flabbergasted that Meta could have done it AGAIN.
Is anyone actually still using threads? I thought all the Twitter refugees ended up on Bluesky.
If I trust the numbers I found, Threads has 200M users, vs 2.5--3M for all of Mastodon's instances but-Threads.
Down the same road, again.
Back at the start WhatsApp wasn't free, although it was pretty cheap. Then Meta bought it and made it free. Some time after that, the founders left and started Signal.
The E2E encrypted protocol WhatsApp used to use was the Signal protocol. When the OG founders left and created Signal they revamped it, calling it the Signal V2 protocol. Whether WhatsApp still uses that original Signal protocol or not is probably not known to many people outside of Meta, but WhatsApp definitely used to be E2E encrypted prior to Meta's purchase.
I deleted my WhatsApp account around the time Meta announced they were merging all of their messaging stuff together, e.g. Facebook Messenger, Instagram etc.