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This comes down to ammo. if you have a bunch of guns they're going to be useful until it runs out of ammo. If you are caching huge amounts of ammo and guns then yes that's useful as long as you or your allies keep control of it. And caching ammo is harder and more expensive than just buying a gun.
Like if your "military" is providing .223 ammo that .308 rifle isn't going to be too useful for very long.
The consumerist stuff isn't "bad" its just "not useful" to the point I'd say its "deliberate misdirection".
Right, when I said "buy a gun" obviously there was no implication that you should also buy the appropriate ammunition to use said gun. I'm just telling people to buy unloaded guns to put on their mantles to look at.
Are you telling them they should buy like 10 boxes of ammo and store them in different locations in case they lose access to a location?
No you just tell everyone to "buy a gun" like its a magic ward. You downvote comments that say "that's not enough"
I downvote your comments because they're pointless nitpicking, not because you say "that's not enough." If you had said, "Also, train, join an org, and read theory" I wouldn't be downvoting you. Instead you said, "lol buying a gun won't fix anything" and dismissed the suggestion as "individualist consumerism." That's not "going further."
I'm sorry that the pithy ending to a comment that was primarily about the history of Kent State was not a detailed outline of every possible tactic that could be effective at resisting.
Yeah, I agree, you really fucked up the ending to an otherwise good post.
No, I didn't. You just randomly decided to start attacking me based on a bunch of flimsy bullshit.
You ruined the entire post by ending it with a poorly thought out conclusion. "Buy more ovaltine" level of dumb at the end. All you have to do to change my mind is edit the ending to something not as dumb.
Yes, it's exactly the same as telling people to buy ovaltine. Ovaltine will definitely help you kill fascists just as much as a gun will.
Your position is so fucking stupid, and every angle you tried to defend it from has fallen apart under the tiniest bit of scrutiny. Including this one.
Thanks debate-me-bro so glad to have you on my side. I can't wait for the glorius revolution where we all look at the guns on our mantles and jack off to them.
Lmao! Too much of a clown for me to even satirize you.
I clearly went too far because I was satirizing your mischaracterization of other people's arguments that you really didn't address but said you did (powerful obama giving a medal to obama meme energy).
I'm obviously more of a syndicalist. Buying "a" gun won't do anything meaningful in and of itself. We need some people to buy a lot of guns and ammo. Not everybody needs to buy a gun, there's more guns than people here as it is. The gun threshold, if anything has already been reached. If it gets to the guns mattering we've already lost a thousand battles.
We need lots of people thinking about each other. We need people thinking about things like food, water, waste, etc. Like the US government has never caved because somebody shot a bullet at them. They cave because airports get shutdown, because trash stops being collected. The guns help if it goes further, but the step before the guns is the determinate on whether the guns will work or not.
Like a bunch of military drones come through your door you won't even have the opportunity to kill a single fascist. You're just dead, killed by a guy essentially playing a video game. A missile is the same thing. There's no heroic fantasy where just owning a gun lets people takedown a fascist.
My main real issue is the one size fits all prescription. "Buy a gun" is just so overly simplistic and dumb and we more than likely have enough.
Whose arguments did I mischaracterize in the initial comment I made? The National Guard's? What a load of horseshit, you came out of the gate attacking me for no reason.
What does it matter if one person buys 10 guns to give to 10 people, or if 10 people buy their own guns? The end result is the same. You're just putting ideological hangups before pragmatism.
None of which is precluded by buying a gun.
Neither of these is correct. For example, the US government caved when the NVA shot a bunch of bullets at them. They also have the capability of suppressing strikes at gunpoint, if it comes to that. Just as they did the student demonstrators at Kent State. Strikes can be effective, but if you have no capability to fight back, then it's not likely to be enough.
Of course. I never disputed that. But they aren't sending drones or launching missiles, they're sending people.
That's just obviously false. Are fascists impervious to bullets now? Is Charlie Kirk still alive, then?
You're clearly just reiterating your belief in gun ownership and not addressing anything. "Buying a gun" is the tankie version of libs saying "go vote". Solves nothing, they say it will fix everything. Might help in a very niche scenario that nobody disputes but is so ridiculously overprescribed as to be a useless platitude.
If you're actively hunting notable fascists that's totally different than just "buying a gun". That is a very specific type of gun use and like the kirk shooting was somewhat tragic because the kid that shot him will be going to prison. He bartered a lot more than a few bucks for that outcome.
If like a couple dozen people started doing that the fascist movement would likely lose most its notable members in a year.
Where did I say that it would "fix everything?" Weren't you just complaining about "mischaracterizing arguments" (which I never did)?
Again, you're just looking for reasons to attack me for no reason. No idea what crawled up your ass but it has nothing to do with anything I've actually said.
You said the magic platitude. If somebody put "go vote" at the bottom of the kent state shooting I would also have issues.
So I'm not allowed to tell anyone to do anything if that one thing doesn't magically fix all the problems in the world?
If its a stupid platitude and you're writing an otherwise good post about kent state, yes.
Let things be complex. You don't need to prescribe gun ownership after fucking kent state. You don't need to tell people to go vote, either. Its so fucking dumb.
That's stupid. If I went into sufficient depth to satisfy you (and only you, btw), nobody would read it because of the length.
I've addressed all your objections and each time you just invent some new bullshit to try to justify why you got all pissy in the first place. Just fuck off already.
You never addressed my first post. You literally did a "how you train with gun without buy guy" gotcha thing then just never addressed it. You still havent addressed it, truth be told.
So again, you're just responding to shit. Its not even new bullshit. I'm just saying the same thing over and over again in different ways. "Buy a gun" is an overprescribed oversimplified conclusion and the reason you didn't connect it to kent state is not because it would be "boring" but because its trite "go out and vote" type bullshit.
Man, fuck off. Like you didn't make shit up over an over, that whole "1776" line, get the fuck out. Just drop it. Reply again and I'll block you.
"buy a gun" is the 1776 line. You can't really think that offering the same exact advice as fascists is actually effective, do you?
Go ahead and block me. Imagine the kind of trite bullshit I'll miss out on.
WHICH I REFUTED ALREADY, JUST LIKE I REFUTED YOUR 3D PRINTER BULLSHIT AND EVERY OTHER STUPID BULLSHIT POINT YOU RAISED, YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE.
Blocked.
Being blocked has never hurt so much.