These gentlemen think when they have changed the names of things, they have changed the things themselves. That is how these profound thinkers mock the whole world.

Engels

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In fairness, a lot of socialist theory has a distinction between a "state" and a "government". The former is the repressive apparatus (police, army and ideological state aparatuses) and the latter consists of the civilian administration which deals with centralised organisation of labor/economy. This is why marx could describe a "stateless society" as developed-communism.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But in that case we again land on square one problem of pushing the communism button instantly.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 month ago

Yeah. I'm an ML

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even the non-repressive function of states need hierarchies. All administration needs specialists, managers, organization.

Think of a hospital, or a large-scale engineering project. There is no conceivable way these could be run without hierarchies and centralized control.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Oh yeah the hierarchy stuff has always been out of control with anarchists. But anarchism itself is just stateless society. The rest, anarchists disagree on heavily.