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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

GrapheneOS developers are quite dickish about what they are willing to implement and how they treat their users. They work under the assumption that GrapheneOS is for people afraid of being hacked (like actively targeted by state level actors) and refuse to add anything that in their view compromises security. So for example they refuse to add pattern unlock because they think it's less secure than PIN which is silly because I can just use '0000' PIN which is as insecure as any pattern. It's the same with supporting other phones. Personally I'm not worried about police trying to hack my phone, I just want deGoogled system with tracker protection. GrapheneOS devs don't care. It's all or nothing with them. I would recommend iode over Graphene to anyone not as paranoid as the devs.

[–] ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They can be dickish about several things, but they will implement whatever they want, it's their project LOL! They actually develop a mobile operating system for people afraid of being hacked, and with the utmost security in mind.

The thing with pattern unlock is that it is inherently less secure than the other options, despite the fact that you can use one of the other options in bad ways (like the '0000' PIN). Expecting them to change this is using the lowest common denominator possible, which is against their philosophy.

You do have other options if you want to deGoogle, like LineageOS, that supports a much wider range of devices (altough the extent of deGoogling can be limited). It's good we have one ROM (among others) with paranoid devs - we have more options

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The thing with pattern unlock is that it is inherently less secure than the other options

Does Graphene scramble the keypad between PIN entries? If not, it's functionally the same as a pattern unlock.

[–] ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 points 17 hours ago

That's good then. A lot of stuff uses the standard numberpad.