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You’re being chauvinist. You may not want to admit it, but it’s the only way this position makes sense.
Your “lesser evil” logic only works if you implicitly treat people in the imperial periphery as expendable, as if our suffering matters less than your domestic anxieties. Your entire framework centers US comfort while mass death abroad becomes background noise.
Who backed the genocide in Gaza? Who destroyed Libya and turned it into a failed state with open slave markets? Who armed proxies that helped give rise to ISIS in Syria? Who backed decades of rape and mass killing in Afghanistan?
It was bipartisan. Every time. Enthusiastically bipartisan.
Permanent war, sanctions, coups, and the immiseration of the Global South are the foundation of the system. Democrats and Republicans agree on this completely.
So when you say “one leads to fascism and the other leads back to the status quo,” you leave out the key point: the status quo already depends on mass death elsewhere. Your stability is subsidized by bombs, blockades, and starvation.
Yes, Republicans are more "meaner" at home. Democrats use nicer language. That’s PR. Democrats provide legitimacy for the same imperial machine while managing the decline more "politely".
From Palestine to Haiti, there is no meaningful lesser evil just continuous catastrophe.
Your argument boils down to: as long as things don’t get too bad too fast here, everything else is negotiable.
That’s peak chauvinism.
Look, I don’t disagree, I just don’t have a decent opinion on how to repair a hundred years of US hegemonic abuse. I can only tell you that if we don’t put forth an electable democrat, it will get much worse for everyone.
If you want to help fix my chauvinism, I need something other than laying the history of American foreign policy violence at my feet.
Nobody else can fix your chauvinism for you. That takes introspection. You need to start considering the rest of us as fully human whose suffering is not secondary to your comfort.
The facts are: Both parties support the imperialist empire. Both fund genocide, sanctions, coups, and proxy wars. Both uphold capitalism and the systematically broken policing system. Both expand surveillance and repression. “Voting blue” has never stopped any of this, it just puts a nicer face on it, the equivalent of sticking a smiling face sticker on the orphan crushing machine.
If you actually want to do something: Stop treating Democrats as harm reduction. Consider third-party or abstention instead of laundering war crimes with your vote. Join a communist organization. Study theory. Do material work in your community. Organize. Build power locally. Arm yourself. Do literally anything other than vote for a war criminal every 2-4 years.
If you want to vote, vote just stop trying to justify yourself as super moral for voting for the personable war criminal over the more openly cruel one.
Chauvinism aside, this would be a terrible time to vote for a third party, and by no means am I trying to present it as “morally superior”. You’re trying to fix a broken system, and I’m trying to keep it intact long enough to prevent it from exploding and killing even more people.
After we get Trump out of office, we can start dismantling western chauvinism.
You’re not “keeping it intact to prevent harm.” You’re keeping it intact because you benefit from it.
The US led system isn’t something you stabilize and then dismantle later. It only exists through massive violence. Every extra year you preserve it is more sanctions, more bombs, more dead people.
And “after Trump” is always the line. It was "after Reagan", “after Bush,” then “after Trump,” then it will be “after the next Republican.” There is always a new emergency to justify doing nothing to even attempt to slow the immisiration machine.
These people have literally expunged their own memories of the fact that there was already an "after Trump". And they used it to double down in American brutality before letting Trump back into office.
I guess the saying holds.
If you can remember what happened over a week ago that makes you a tankie
Yup. You're also a tankie if you can predict what's going to happen in more than a week from the present moment.
"I'm trying to keep the murder machine going long enough to stop it from murdering people!"
Fucking liberal ideology in a nut shell.
You got Trump out of office, and instead of "dismantling western chauvinism", you instead decided to actively engage in the worst genocide of the 21st century, with such determination that you were even willing to let Trump win the election rather than stop.
Remember six years ago when you put forth an electable democrat, and it continued to get much worse for everyone?
I mean, I didn’t put her forth, I wanted Bernie. Everything got worse because she didn’t get elected. I guess she wasn’t that electable.
six years ago. I'm talking about Biden, who did get elected
BlueMAGA liberals have literally expunged all memory of the Biden administration from their brains. For them it's 2022 and Trump is on his second consecutive term.