The Deprogram

You’re still doing exactly what I pointed out. Substituting moral outrage for material analysis. You are effectively throwing a tantrum.

Nobody is asking you to “make excuses.” I’m telling you to analyze reality and apply scientific socialism. This is a socialist space this should be the baseline not some tremendous burden.

States do not act on vibes. They act on concrete balances of power, supply chains, military encirclement, sanctions risk, and long-term strategic positioning. China exists inside an imperialist world system still dominated by the US and its allies. Israel is not some isolated rogue actor, it is embedded in the Euro-American imperial apparatus: finance, tech, arms, intelligence, and regional power projection. Any unilateral Chinese economic attack on Israel is, in practice, an attack on Euro-American strategic interests. Pretending otherwise is pure fantasy completely detached from the modern material conditions.

You keep asserting that cutting trade “wouldn’t provoke anything serious” while offering zero material evidence. Which maybe wouldn't be that big an issue if history didn't say the exact opposite. The imperial core retaliates collectively when its interests are threatened. We’ve already seen this play out with tariffs, tech bans, semiconductor blockades, sanctions regimes, financial warfare, and military containment. China is currently already under partial siege. Escalating that into open economic warfare without favorable conditions is not “exerting power for good,” it’s reckless adventurism and self immolation.

Your “if they don’t do this they aren’t socialist saviors” framing is also liberal nonsense. No socialist state has ever been a savior fairy godmother. Socialism develops under siege. Every AES project in history has had to prioritize survival first. That’s the basics of historical materialism. You don’t get to skip parts of development because genocide makes you feel angry (even when that anger is justified).

And your Nazi analogy is plainly ridiculous. The USSR didn’t defeat fascism through symbolic boycotts. It did it through decades of forced industrialization, strategic alliances, and ultimately total war once material conditions allowed/forced action. That required steel, factories, logistics, food security, and millions of dead soviet citizens. How many Chinese citizens should China sacrifice to satisfy your moral sensitivities?

You also further contradict reality when you say China only acts on profit, while ignoring massive non-profitable investments across the Global South, infrastructure projects, development lending, technology transfer, and diplomatic shielding in international forums. That doesn’t mean China is perfect or beyond criticism. It means reality is more complex than your reductionist “they trade therefore they support genocide” take.

Power can be used for good. But only when it actually exists in sufficient quantity. You don’t conjure power by making moral demands. You build it materially. Acting before conditions are ripe doesn’t stop fascism it gets you crushed, isolated, and balkanised, which helps imperialism. If China is crushed that would mean the end of the DPRK, the mass immiseration of over a billion Chinese and the return of the global south under the thumb of the IMF and imperialist development pathways.

What you’re doing is leftism in vibes only: moral absolutism with radical language, detached from concrete strategy, historical precedent, and balance-of-forces analysis.

Scientific socialism isn’t about what feels righteous. It’s about understanding contradictions, timing, and capacity, even when that conclusion is uncomfortable.

You need to start thinking in terms of systems, not sentiments. Currently you’re just doing liberalism with red aesthetics.

I find it funny how hard you’ll defend China for abetting a genocidal state, and wonder why you feel the need to defend it so.

The fact you are fine with them trading with genociders and nazis shows your moral lacking, not mine.

Also Lol at Palestine was on my radar cause of Hamas, I got a kick out of that.

So after all that huffing and puffing, you're going to offer solidarity with the Chinese if they do trade cessation?

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