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[–] XLE@piefed.social 272 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Mozilla has released so many self-described AI features in the past few years, but this is the only one that has:

  • been requested by the community
  • received broad critical acclaim

I hope Mozilla learns their lesson. I doubt they will, but I hope.

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 36 points 1 day ago (14 children)

To be fair people liked the translation feature too

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 15 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

TWP dumps your pages to google translate, no thanks. FF is on device

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

You don't have to use google translate (there are 2 other services included), and TWP doesn't reload the page when you toggle the translate function off and on like the built in one did.

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago

Those are still external services. I didn't mention them because they carry the exact same risks

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[–] doug@lemmy.today 113 points 1 day ago (9 children)

sadly I’ll likely support them through any shitty decisions they make as they are the only viable non-chromium alternative these days.

I get they’re chasing the buck and trying to stay relevant, but uhhhh… if they could be less Steve Buscemi-teen about it, that’d be great.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 84 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I strongly believe that the EU should fund Mozilla, or a fork of Firefox.

Gecko is the only viable competitor to Blink/WebKit, and it is needed

[–] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 2 points 18 hours ago

Maybe funding components would be better than funding mozilla. Eg: 2 engineers for Gecko

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 65 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Govts around the world should be funding all sorts of FOSS projects. I know they do to some degree but not much. It benefits the whole world and only hurts big tech.

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That prospect becomes less and less likely the more government is bought and paid for by Big Tech.

[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 5 points 19 hours ago

This is what people don't understand. Those in power, whether they're part of the government, a wealthy CEO, or a religious leader, will do what benefits themselves if they think they can get away with it. We keep talking about powerful organizations and what they could do to benefit everyone, but fail to realize that powerful people don't want to benefit everyone.

They only do what benefits everyone if they feel like they can't get away with just doing what benefits themselves. It's our responsibility to make sure they don't think they can get away with it, and clearly strongly-worded letters and quippy signs held outside their offices for an afternoon or two isn't enough to do that.

[–] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Funding FF? Maybe. Funding Mozilla? No way, not with my money.

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[–] XLE@piefed.social 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is probably common knowledge to you and many others, but it bears repeating: You cannot donate to fund the development of Mozilla Firefox.

Google can, unfortunately.

[–] Tehhund@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure you can donate to Mozilla, are you saying that donations to Mozilla don't accomplish what we might want? I only know a little about how much Mozilla sucks so I'm ready to learn more.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

There are two interlinked Mozillas: the Mozilla Foundation is what you can donate to, but the Mozilla Corporation is what develops Firefox. No matter how much you donate, that money cannot (or will not) be transferred to Firefox development.

Mozilla's recent history includes privacy flub after financial management misstep, so here's a few links in no particular order of severity or chronology:

Each of these are a little rabbit hole on their own.

Would you like to know more?

[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I recommend Waterfox

They have pledged to not fill their browser with AI slop features.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Last time I tried Waterfox some sites like Twitch that actively block usage on old browsers, refused to work because the latest Waterfox release was based on a Firefox like 20+ builds behind.

Firefox was on like version 142 and the latest Waterfox download was based on build 128.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Waterfox right now is built on ESR 148, which is on par with the latest Firefox release! ESR releases will lag several versions behind, but that's normal (even on Mozilla's side), and I'd be kind of shocked if it was such a big gap

Edit: there was a big gap. 128 to 140 was the right jump, but Waterfox non-betas took a little less than two months to implement the change after Mozilla released it.

[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have used it for twitch for years without issue. I also have ublock origin with twitch adblock.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Well you clearly haven't used the standard available download (non-beta/nightly release) consistently through last year. Waterfox was using ESR 128 since October 2024, kept that base until finally upgrading to ESR 140 last August. So that's nearly a year of its base being out of date. So the user agent reported that number... sites really don't like that since they're looking at that for support.

https://www.waterfox.com/releases/6.5.0/ https://www.waterfox.com/releases/6.6.0/

Twitch only supports the last TWO versions of Firefox officially and will actively block logging in from older versions. So while you might be able to watch Twitch, if you aren't already logged in, you won't be able to login.

https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/supported-browsers?language=en_US

There are thousands of posts about it online for Waterfox other forks.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 19 hours ago

It was outdated, but only for a couple months. Firefox ESR is built to last about a year, and it was maintained with security patches up-to-date alongside Firefox Production versions 129, 130, 131, 132... all the way to 139. Only then did ESR 140 come out.

But if Twitch only supports the two most recent Firefox production versions, I guess ESR wouldn't cut it after FF 131 came out.

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[–] pipe01@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago

If everyone switched from firefox to waterfox, Mozilla would kill firefox which would in turn will waterfox

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah ofc they are chasing the buck.

It's either they find alternatives revenue streams or we no longer have Firefox as a viable alternative anymore.

Browsers development is crazy engineering heavy, and thus, expensive.

It's a shitty situation all around.

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[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 29 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Problem is Mozilla needs money and shoving AI features into shit is how you get investors these past few years.

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[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think they’re desperate to make money since they’re losing userbass AND Google is probably not happy that most users change the default search engine away from them.

Does anyone really think the current administration is going to break up Google? Lina Khan almost did it but like most of the rest of this timeline we just didn’t quite get there

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah it's a catch 22.

They either fail to get a big enough use base because their core users are not enough and they fail from a lack of funding.

Or they try to follow trends to increase their appeal and user base, and annoy their core users.

Most users don't realize that Mozilla is doing what Google is doing with Chrome with an engineering team 1/4 the size of the chrome team. And that the grand majority of their costs are engineering related.

Browsers are expensive, and Mozilla needs to find revenue streams to pay for it.

[–] raldone01@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I believe Firefox could raise a lot of money through donations. If they make it clear that Firefox donations will be solely used for Firefox development. Also ideally add a quick survey to donations to see what the "donating" userbases values are. My issue with donating to Mozilla is that it is too broad and they have many products I don't care for.

I use Thunderbird and donate to it because I feel it's more focused. I believe Mozilla still can use the funds for other stuff but at least I am donating for a clear project.

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