In the past 30 years Dems were in power 2/3 of the time, so they very obviously did contribute to the state of affairs that led to Trump being elected twice!

Or if the country moved rightward regardless of what team the President represents, then it means voting in this system is only ceremonial and completely useless activity.

Either Dems are enablers of Fascists or voting is useless, there's no third option.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 3 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Well biden won by 20 mil and then those votes went away and didnt even go third party. So seems like disenfranchisement than country moving more than moving right.

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Soooo Dems won't make it better but least won't make it worse.

So seems like disenfranchisement

So the Dems did make it worse by being terrible at running the country during the 20 years they've been in power over the past 30 years?

They fucked up strategically: creating the material conditions for the rise of Fascism
and they fucked up tactically by running two terrible candidates who abetted genocide in Gaza, and couldn't even be bothered to promise a feeble social democratic programme (which would be less than the bare minimum), and because of this tactical mistake they've lost to fucking Trump who is very clearly an idiot.

Calling it a fuckup implies that Democrats actually care about winning elections and developing the country, which is debatable after all these fuckups and all their anti-left rhetoric...

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So what's your plan on this?

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What do you mean my plan?
The topic is:

"Is there such a thing as the ratchet effect?"

Yes, there is.

I'm not American, I just hate both the US power elite and the bootlickers making excuses for them. Fuck them all, because they make the world worse for the rest of us...
I could go on and on about EU neoliberals as well, but that's not the topic at hand, and they are basically behave like vassals to the US anyway

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

I mean giving the stating there is ratchet effect is fine. Its true. But what can be done to change it. Status quo is never letting it go right.

While we promote progressives within the country and rally behind them Peaceful options are:

vote blue no matter who. Yes i know all the bs with dems.
Vote third party. Drop in bucket until the silent masses join.

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