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[–] artyom@piefed.social 113 points 9 hours ago (42 children)

I mean, it makes sense to me that consumers can't be pumping energy into the grid with no way to cut it off, but I'm not a lineman or some sort of civil engineer or whatever.

But if I were a lawmaker, I'd be on the phone with the Germans, who have 1.2M of these connected, and figuring out if and how they're doing it safely. But lawmakers seem to be somehow incapable of reaching out to people who know fuck all about anything.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I had a chat about this with a friend who works for the national grid (UK).

Apparently the problem is keeping the grid balanced and stable. Basically, the grid struggles to react fast, so they plan ahead. Things like large scale solar can provide predictions on output. Home solar can't.

When clouds pass over an area it can cause slumps and surges in the local grid. The more home solar, the worse it gets. The current grid is designed to work top down, with predictable changes in demand. It needs upgrading to deal with large scale bidirectional flows.

The plug in units are (potentially) even more ropey. If used properly, they are no worse than normal home solar. Unfortunately, being cheaper, there are worries over the microinverters not shutting down. Either due to the manufacturer cheaping out, or turning on an "off grid" mode.

There are also worries about overloading household circuits. Back feeding bypasses the household circuit breakers and RCDs. They could overload wall wiring and cause fires, or stop an RCD tripping, allowing for a person to be shocked.

I don't know how much this would apply to the American Grid, but I would imagine it would be worse. Your grid is older and larger. You also use 120VAC which makes the current overload issue a lot worse.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

You also use 120VAC which makes the current overload issue a lot worse.

Voltage inside of residences is 120v AC, but its 240v thats delivered to each house. I think a bigger difference is that in the USA that 240v AC is single phase where I believe (Germany included) many nations in the EU are 3 phase.

The USA does have 3 phase power for most commercial applications though.

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

These systems are designed to not push power back up if the grid goes down. In most areas, the municipality won't even allow a solar installation to be connected or even finished without it being inspected to verify you have that sort of setup.

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[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 81 points 9 hours ago (96 children)

The microinverters stop feeding in if grid goes down. So it's safe.

[–] CMahaff@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Hmmm, I wonder how this would affect things in the future where this is widely used.

I.E. if you had both widespread solar usage and some kind of large blackout, would it be hard to get all your solar back online because it's all in the "waiting for the grid" state? And the grid can't come back at capacity because all the solar it's expecting is out?

I assume people smarter than me have this figured out, but just a random thought if anyone knows more.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 7 points 4 hours ago

You turn on parts of the grid at a time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_start

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[–] RblScmNerfHerder@lemmy.world 12 points 6 hours ago

In the US, reaching out to other countries for advice, even if they're our allies, seems to be viewed as treason. At a minimum, seems like treason against "real" masculinity, on which American culture is fueled, especially now.

'Why don't you just stop to ask for directions?'

'I know where I'm going!!1!1111!1!!!!1!'

🙄

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