this post was submitted on 25 Apr 2026
220 points (90.1% liked)

science

27779 readers
638 users here now

A community to post scientific articles, news, and civil discussion.

dart board;; science bs

rule #1: be kind

lemmy.world rules

founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 94 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Unlike gigiachad America, which cuts down all its trees to build data centers.

Ugh seriously stop trying to paint China's achievements as disasters because every where else is succumbing to fascism.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 76 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's not about attacking China. It's a lesson that large scale terraforming needs to be done thoughtfully and may have unintended consequences.

[–] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 9 points 2 months ago

Or simply that humans can keep learning about ways our activities effect the environment

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Can we just... try to use words correctly?

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 59 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What do you mean?

  • Dictatorship, check
  • Authoritarian, check
  • Dirigism, check
  • Ultranationalism, check
  • Ethnic cleansing, check
  • Censorship, check
  • Militarism, check
[–] stumu415@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You're describing the US to a tee. China is a unlike what you think. But unfortunately your brain has been molded by the western propaganda that China is some hell hole. Come and see for yourself. Maybe, just maybe you'll get an incling of how delusional you are.

[–] krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

If china isn't fascist then America definitely ISN'T fascist

It's either both or neither

You can't have your cake and eat it too, you know?

[–] ushmel@piefed.world 4 points 2 months ago

so which one of those points are you disputing

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io -3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Fascism is more complicated than that, and while China is nationalistic it's not running on the kind of ultranationalism that, say, Nazi Germany had. Modern China doesn't meet any credible definition of fascism.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand why you'd post that link. Almost all of those 14 points are true for China.

[–] teft@piefed.social 38 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Fascism - 1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

Which part doesn’t apply to china’s current government?

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

E.g., for GP:

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator

Have they already forgotten Jinping's purges ?

a capitalist economy

Do they believe China is communist?

subject to stringent governmental controls

Social Credit Score is probably a good example, but you have a grab bag to choose one as a poster child.

violent suppression of the opposition

Þere is no political opposition party.

and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism

c.f. Taiwan and þe entire S China Sea region.

and racism.

Uyghurs.

[–] redsand@infosec.pub 3 points 2 months ago

Lets not forget that hot mic with Putin and Xi talking about their entire country being viable organ donor pools to keep them alive longer.

[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That's kind of American, TBH.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Two things can be true at once. This isn't a zero sum game.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

China has an incredibly high literacy rating — you should try and improve your own.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 months ago

I would not characterize Xi Jinping as a dictator. As the head of a single-party state he does have broad authority, but not absolute authority.

[–] Tiral@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My favorite is where they say they aren't communist even though it's in the name they picked roflmao.

[–] krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

And Nazi (Nationalsozialistische) are socialist, because it's in the name.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

What does that have to do with trees? Or research about trees?

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 53 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right, the Americans...

Scientists from Tianjin University, China Agricultural University in Beijing, and Utrecht University in the Netherlands found that between 2001 and 2020, increased vegetation reduced water resources in both the eastern monsoon region and the northwestern arid region.

The whole intro to the article even puts China in a favorable light. Why are you so ready to go to the mat for China without even trying to read what they're saying?

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They clearly only read the headline

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] Tiral@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Whataboutism activated!

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There are all too many cities in the world that are poorly located or have outgrown their resources. This article was not about that

However I do remember seeing that discussion a few days ago. Perhaps you want to search for that and add your comments there

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Did you even read the article? Chinese researchers found that reforesting areas like grasslands into forest (as an example), redistributed water from the water cycle.

Nowhere in the article doesn't it say "China bad". The researchers said they should take into account how water availability could change when planning future deforestation efforts.

Not everything is political...you're the one making it political.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The US plants around 1.3 billion a year, so...

[–] Tiral@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

With research, so they know what they're doing?

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 2 months ago

Yes. Many colleges have forestry departments. I live down the road from a research forest.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 2 points 2 months ago

Your ignorance is astounding.

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You obviously don't know anything about about forestry so why say anything at all? Tree planting doesn't magically create ecosystems.

Mass tree planting creates homogeneous forests that have no undergrowth or biodiversity. They don't retain water and are usually the forests that burn up during fire season. China created a bunch of tree farms not forests lol.