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[–] ganoo_slash_linux@lemmy.world 180 points 5 days ago (62 children)

Not everyone can feasibly do this, you need to speak mandarin + read/write chinese, legally be able to work, and have some way to deal with the gfw. Also tap water may not be drinkable but thats more of a nuisance since you can filter/boil it.

Also idk what the article is talking about with flying delivery drones and self driving cars in shenzhen, if you order meituan delivery its probably gonna be delivered by a gig worker on a scooter cuz thats all young people can get employed as these days. Delivery is insanely cheap and can't possibly pay much, but also cost of living is relatively low, but still shenzhen is on the expensive end as far as living in china goes.

Finally paying for everything via alipay/wechat and visiting everywhere with biometrics is yet another convenience/privacy tradeoff. Visit china on a 10 year tourist visa, everywhere you go by train, every tourist attraction or national park you visit, every digital payment, is all linked to your passport. Equivalent for chinese citizens would be the national id card/number. China more or less skipped the credit card adoption phase afaik. Not that places won't take cash but it's less common especially in cities.

China is not a magical land where everything is perfect and futuristic. It's a big country with a lot of people in many, many big cities that operates on totally different cultural systems. It is affordable from the perspective of a tourist who earns USD/Euro etc.

Source: I spent a month there in 2025

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 69 points 5 days ago (54 children)

Also tap water may not be drinkable but thats more of a nuisance since you can filter/boil it.

When I visited the U.S. the tap water there wasn't really drinkable. People said it was fine, but my friend bought bottled water, which I paid for during my stay because the tap stuff smelled evil. Tried the tap water at a restaurant and I physically couldn't swallow it. Supposedly Massachusetts has pretty good water, too.

China is not a magical land where everything is perfect and futuristic. It's a big country with a lot of people in many, many big cities that operates on totally different cultural systems.

I like this take. You often hear places hyped up in media because that garners clicks, but everywhere has its pros and cons. Living in Sweden, I've heard absolutely bananas claims about my country. I'm comfortable here, but not everyone will be, and it's certainly not the utopia some people believe it to be.

China has some good things going for it. I'm not a fan of the lack of privacy there, but simultaneously Europe is taking a leaf out of that playbook. They seem to have decent healthcare, and the infrastructure is seeing some major work that a lot of places here in Europe sorely needs.

The working culture in China is off-putting to me, though I feel similarly for a lot of other places here in Europe as well. Germany for example has a really rough work culture, which always makes it funny when American immigrants sing its praises.

The world is complex.

[–] Geoff@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What don't you like about Sweden, if you don't mind me asking?

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 8 points 4 days ago

I'd say that our international reputation is kind of undeserved.

For example, we've previously been kind of prideful of our status as "neutral" in conflicts, but I don't think we ever really were. During WWII we were doing the same eugenics stuff that Germany was interested in, we severely maltreated our native population, and ultimately while we didn't exactly ally ourselves with Germany, we also didn't stand against them. We let the nazis use our railway network to attack Norway for example.

Segue: the most recent eugenics law we got rid of, to my knowledge, was in 2013, when we abolished the requirement for trans people to get sterilised. Obviously, the nazi party was against this.

I wrote about a kind of pivotal event here, which ended up shaping how our labour system functions. However, the Social Democrats of old are not the same as those we have today. They've been catering more and more to the right, and the perspective I see the most nowadays is that they kind of just go with the flow. They don't have any significant values, and haven't for a long time.

This shows, because we have some very American problems in society now. Widening gaps between the normal people and the ultra rich. Significant parts of our welfare has been sold off and privatised. We have nazis sitting in parliament.

One example I think is particularly striking is our drug policy. It's the one thing pretty much all parties are in unison on; drugs are and should remain banned, and people that use drugs need to be punished. The stats for drug related deaths here are scary, and the scientists are saying that the policies need revisions because the current draconic approach isn't really working.

The parties however will not budge, instead they sit in parliament and sniff cocaine, and when they're caught it obviously doesn't get investigated.

A social democratic politician from Sweden is also the person responsible for initiating the whole Chat Control thing.

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