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Ok, this gonna sound polemic and I'm gonna try to not use any adjectives. (Except for once)

The thing is that sometimes I feel like many stories try to appeal to a broad audience, but regardless of what they aim for, a lot of the time the audience ends up being (I’ll allow myself this just once) men rather than women. I’m not sure if this happens with the animated series of Avatar, but I do notice that with Star Trek, even though they try to make everyone feel represented, the reality is that the average viewer is, well, just that—the average person in the country where it’s broadcast.

In the case of Avatar, it’s criticized by some Japanese people because they associate it more with China, to the point that they label it as almost racist when it’s compared to Japanese animation (anime). What I mean is that no matter how much a series tries to appeal to a general audience or to please everyone, that’s never really going to happen; it will always end up having a group with shared characteristics that likes it.

But what do you think? Can there be stories that anyone—regardless of gender, ethnicity, or country—can enjoy? I think the closest thing to that is Harry Potter, and well, you know what the creator is like, but that’s not the point here.

It’s hard to explain, but this is more aimed at writers or any other creative producer: do you write with a specific audience in mind, or do you think that everyone will like what you create?

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[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can there be stories that anyone—regardless of gender, ethnicity, or country—can enjoy?

Sure - there are plenty of global mega-hits, from the MCU to Star Wars to The Fast and the Furious.

But I don't think you can (or should, really) separate a work from the cultural context that led to its creation.

[–] cuchi@startrek.website 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"MCU" and "Star Wars" has not complaing of "being woke" by the majority of their own fandom? And in compare of Star Trek they are actually more people anti-woke people on the fandom.

As far as I know, people complaing about Rey for being a "mary stu" even with characters as Starkiller without the same complaing the writing just because he is a guy.

I never see women enoying The Fast and Furious.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If there's one thing people need to realize about the "anti-woke" crowd, it's that outside of poisoning online spaces, they don't matter.

They are very loud, but at the end of the day, there's not actually that many of them. The box office numbers speak for themselves.

And it's an anecdote, but the single biggest F&F fan I know is a woman.

[–] cuchi@startrek.website 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think it does matter in fandoms which are like the 60%, literally every single person I meet which like MCU is like "Dude, you remember that forced scene when all girls are in the same scene only for 'girl power'?"

And the movie still made nearly $2.8 billion.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's important to foster healthy online spaces that are free of that sort of nonsense - I wouldn't be here if I didn't - but that crowd is a drop in the bucket when it comes to the actual audience.

They're just loud, obnoxious, and spurred on by grifters.

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 7 points 1 day ago

ahh yes, as opposed to the scenes where all the boys group up for boy power

[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Why?

Was there a significant decrease in viewership due to that? or was it because all the MCU movies became fanslop that eventually the fans realized were shit movies?

[–] SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

I'm happy to be the exception to the rule, then. I'm a woman who enjoyed the F&F movies up to maybe the 6th one.

Tokyo Drift can fuck right off, though.